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#901 Posted : 7/10/2010 5:54:55 AM

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^oh i see. makes a lot more sense now. thanks endless!Very happy
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#902 Posted : 7/16/2010 7:00:25 PM
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Hello nexus, my SWIM has some quick questions and any thoughts would greatly be appreciated. He is thinking about wrapping up his first extraction attempt (a great learning experiencing, in many more ways than one) and starting his second. For the first, he used a STB tek with a 1/2 gallon mason jar, lye, and naptha. Now, here is what SWIM has been contemplating:

1) He purchased some caapi leaves and various herbs (shout out to shaman's garden; great vendor) to make some of this changa everyone raves about. SWIM is going to go out and try to find some bestine heptane for this because he reads it evaporates quickly. What he's wondering, is if using the heptane for his second extraction attempts would be more efficient than naptha.

2) Also, he's too afraid of wasting any DMTs to dispose of the mimosa sludge currently in his jar. Is it unheard of to add more lye, water, and mimosa (correct proportions of course) to an existing mixture? His mason jar is not even half full, so there is plenty of room. His only concern is sabotaging his second extraction in an attempt to get any of those last goodies from the first.

The purity/color of the spice is not a concern for SWIM. White, off-white, piss yellow, he loves and welcomes them all!
 
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#903 Posted : 7/16/2010 7:06:51 PM

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#904 Posted : 7/24/2010 8:51:43 PM

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Hi guys.

SWIM has done a 1.4 kg extraction some days ago, and when lye-dh2o was added to the acid phase, it turned out something like grey, and a lot of grey lumps in the surface. And, he would like to add, almost nothing came out from the freeze prec.

was an A/B with 3 acid cooks (3 pH, with citric acid).


Any idea?
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#905 Posted : 7/24/2010 9:17:11 PM

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Sounds like you did not basify your solution to a high enough pH; you want your aqueous mhrb solution to be jet black before pulling. Add more lye to your solution until it turns jet black and try pulling again.
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#906 Posted : 8/3/2010 7:19:55 AM

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Hello guys. Yesterday I made my first STB pull with naphta, cover it and took it overnight (approximately 10 hours on maximum coolness)into the freezer. The naphta was a little yellowish, but I think it's okay. Today I took it out and saw a bunch of a little white snowflakes on the bottom of the jar, also there was some orange fats and other liquids or something like this. then I pull out naphta and let it evaporate. But after 10 or 20 minutes most of snowflakes mixes with impurities and turned into dirty orange goo. How should I collect the white snowflakes? Right after the pull or wait until it absolutely evaporate? I fear that all this stuff turns into dirty goo. I've tried to collect it with metallic fiber and load it into my machine then smoke it, and the smoke was very unpleasant and bite and causes caught, But first big hit was a little trippy, but next hits after 5 minutes was without any effects. Could it be tolerance or I've just smoked shit?
 
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#907 Posted : 8/3/2010 8:35:58 AM

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R4s3tsu wrote:
Hello guys. Yesterday I made my first STB pull with naphta, cover it and took it overnight (approximately 10 hours on maximum coolness)into the freezer. The naphta was a little yellowish, but I think it's okay. Today I took it out and saw a bunch of a little white snowflakes on the bottom of the jar, also there was some orange fats and other liquids or something like this. then I pull out naphta and let it evaporate. But after 10 or 20 minutes most of snowflakes mixes with impurities and turned into dirty orange goo. How should I collect the white snowflakes? Right after the pull or wait until it absolutely evaporate? I fear that all this stuff turns into dirty goo. I've tried to collect it with metallic fiber and load it into my machine then smoke it, and the smoke was very unpleasant and bite and causes caught, But first big hit was a little trippy, but next hits after 5 minutes was without any effects. Could it be tolerance or I've just smoked shit?


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#908 Posted : 8/4/2010 9:12:56 PM

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Helloo fellow psychonauts

This is my first post besides my intro essay so salutations. This is not my first rodeo though, if you'll excuse the cowboy parlance. I've been working in realms of pure thought on a way to clean my imaginary jimjam fumar and wondered if anybody might have thought of this already. If I'm right dmt fumarate is insoluble in anhydrous acetone, right? Well fumaric acid is at a ratio of about 1.7g/100ml (at least that's wt the label says) so here's an idea to clean up one fumar and get every bit.

1. Take 1g rough draft jimjam fumar (derived from q21s tek) in a small glass container
2. To this container add around 50ml of anhydrous acetone. It should become cloudy I would think.
3. Allow fumarate to settle then pour off the acetone. Allow residual acetone to evap.
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4. Repeat until the acetone doesn't pick up any mor excess acid. Should only take 2 washes max I would think.
Well I'm eager to see what some other members think. Haven't had enough time of astral travel lately to try it but if its true that fumarate is insoluble in acetone( an idea I got from the freebase-salt conversion) then there shouldn't be a problem.
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#909 Posted : 8/5/2010 12:51:19 AM

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you can wash your dmt fumarate with anhydrous acetone, or anhydrous IPA too, yes.. Just dont heat it up and make sure its dry or it will pick up the fumarates too. Your plan sounds good.. Just dont throw your acetone away in case it picked up some actives, wait till final yield is established

alternatively you can try bufoman's way of cleaning up fumarates with just water, as described in the WIKI

by the way, if you have doubt about solubilities you can always check the psychedelic compounds chemical and physical properties WIKI, as the information you are looking for might be there

good luck and tell us how it went
 
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#910 Posted : 8/6/2010 5:53:42 PM

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endlessness wrote:
you can wash your dmt fumarate with anhydrous acetone, or anhydrous IPA too, yes.. Just dont heat it up and make sure its dry or it will pick up the fumarates too. Your plan sounds good.. Just dont throw your acetone away in case it picked up some actives, wait till final yield is established

alternatively you can try bufoman's way of cleaning up fumarates with just water, as described in the WIKI

by the way, if you have doubt about solubilities you can always check the psychedelic compounds chemical and physical properties WIKI, as the information you are looking for might be there

good luck and tell us how it went

Could you possibly pm me the url for that link? I tend to surf on my ps3 and it has trouble opening new pages. Also I don't nesessarily like the straight water clean up. I feel like I'm leaving spice behind. There's always that brownish/orangish/redish color to the left overs and it feels like I'm missing out. Last time I did it I got only 50% of my yeild back.
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#911 Posted : 8/7/2010 1:57:36 AM

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Ok i give up looking for a place to ask this so i'll put it here; it seems general enough. Are there other way to remove discoloration of my spice without activated charcoal?
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#912 Posted : 8/7/2010 8:07:12 AM

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recrystallization
 
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#913 Posted : 8/7/2010 3:04:56 PM

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So what do i do there? Just pull the hept off before it changes color?
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#915 Posted : 8/7/2010 4:39:50 PM

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Sorry bout that. I bookmarked that so no more asking simple questions until I've thoroughly exhausted other avenues. Thanks again
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#916 Posted : 8/10/2010 9:46:33 AM

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Well, I've got another problem in extraction. Some time ago I've done 4 pulls, the first pull ~130ml was about 12 hrs in the mimosa soup and then I washed it with sodium bicarb 2 rimes. Then I took it in the freezer for about 12 hrs. But everything I've got it's few little crystals and a lot of freezed oil drops on the bottom of the jar. The solvent was very cloudy though. So I've poured the naphta out and let it completely dry then collect that stuff (about 100-150mg). The second pull was better, cos I've done sodium carb wash, it contained more crystals, but also it contained a lot of freezed oils. So I collect then again. It was about 200mg. Then I ate 2g of harmala seeds and after 2 hrs tried to smoke about 50mg of that "spice" throug pipette. Nothing happened. Then I load all the remaining spice and smoked it(about 200mg), for some reason there was not much smoke at all. That spice even didn't actually burned. The effects was very poor, a little body load and morphing textures on the wall, like weak ayahuasca. No OEVs and very very weak 10 minutes CEVs.

So I've got some thougts about possible mistakes:

1.I think it was not enought NaOH, cos I've used 90g of cleaning agent that contains NaOH (the main problem is that it contains a lot of filler and poor amount of NaOH itself) for 1L of water. It that water should be fully saturated with NaOH? Is the water's ph must be 14 or what? So, next time I will use only pure NaOH for sure.

2.After the precipitate should I collect all sediment from jar or only white crystals? Cos I think there was low concentration of DMT itself in my spice, and high concentration of oils. Recrystallisation should help here, right?

3.When I took it out from the freezer the solvent was still cloudy, is it possible that not all DMT droped off? Maybe it needs more time or lower temperatures?

4.That device made from medicine pipette seems not much effective, cos the fist time I've used "machine" bottle and it was stronger even without MAOI.
 
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#917 Posted : 8/10/2010 2:10:57 PM

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R4s3tsu wrote:
1.I think it was not enought NaOH, cos I've used 90g of cleaning agent that contains NaOH (the main problem is that it contains a lot of filler and poor amount of NaOH itself) for 1L of water. It that water should be fully saturated with NaOH? Is the water's ph must be 14 or what? So, next time I will use only pure NaOH for sure.

2.After the precipitate should I collect all sediment from jar or only white crystals? Cos I think there was low concentration of DMT itself in my spice, and high concentration of oils. Recrystallisation should help here, right?

3.When I took it out from the freezer the solvent was still cloudy, is it possible that not all DMT droped off? Maybe it needs more time or lower temperatures?

4.That device made from medicine pipette seems not much effective, cos the fist time I've used "machine" bottle and it was stronger even without MAOI.


Concerning number one.. what kind of "filler" are you speaking of? You could me messing with some dangerous chemicals that could possibly react in an unknown way or be pulled by your solvent and cause irreversible body damage. It is highly recommended to use pure NaOH; anything less (or more in this sense) is unacceptable.

It really sounds to me as though you need to read and actually comprehend the material before you attempt anything else, R4stsu.
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#918 Posted : 8/10/2010 5:47:06 PM

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Just inactive solid filler. Not dangerous I guess. This cleaning agent is very popular as lye for "some hand-made extractions" for a long time in our country. Cos it's quite hard to find pure NaOH in our city. Anyway is the water's ph must be 14 at all?
 
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#919 Posted : 8/11/2010 10:40:10 PM
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I have chosen Q21Q21's extraction tek. Where lime is used instead of lye. I have not been able to find Calcium-hydroxide, but I have found Calciummagnesiumoxide. I would like to know if I can use this instead?
On the bottle it says that it contains calcium-oxide, which will turn to Calcium-hydroxide when mixed with water. This is why i suspect that I could use it. But I am not too sure.
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R4s3tsu wrote:
Not dangerous I guess.


I'd be damn sure it's not. Guessing can get you and possibly everyone else here in trouble. Kill/injure yourself attempting something like this, the news catches wind, and goodbye DMT.

Mitchi wrote:
I have chosen Q21Q21's extraction tek. Where lime is used instead of lye. I have not been able to find Calcium-hydroxide, but I have found Calciummagnesiumoxide. I would like to know if I can use this instead?


Mitchi, I would do some research before you ask this question. Calcium oxide can be potentially dangerous, so experiment with it before you just dump some in water. This is the reaction: CaO + H2O --> Ca(OH)2

It seems a little dangerous to be playing with, and I've never used it, but I'll quote wikipedia here:
Wiki wrote:
Because of vigorous reaction of quicklime with water, quicklime causes severe irritation when inhaled or placed in contact with moist skin or eyes. Inhalation may cause coughing, sneezing, labored breathing. It may then evolve into burns with perforation of the nasal septum, abdominal pain, nausea and vomiting. Although quicklime is not considered a fire hazard, its reaction with water can release enough heat to ignite combustible materials.


The only thing is you will have an aqueous solution of Calcium Hydroxide. Somehow you will need to get the CA(OH)2 out of solution. I have no clue how to do that.
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