Why do you think psychiatrists arent all that much interested in DMT (or psychedelics in general) as one would think they should be?

I think it all depends on what you think it is. I believe ayahuasca vine has more potencial for teaching and helping.

DMT by itself is an unpredictable sometimes terrifying mechanism for hyperspacial transfer from this reality.

I dont mean that they should be interested for healing purposes only. I mean people who study the brain in general. And I dont mean to offend anybody here when I say we are just a bunch of, more or less creative, speculators. Why aint those who spend their lives studying the human mind slightly as interested in psychedelics as we are?

What makes you think that psychiatrists aren’t interested in DMT? How interested do you think they should be?

Its taboo. Its only taboo because the general public went wild on them in the 1960's. Before that all went down psychiatrists were very interested in them. Now it slowly has to creep back.

Also most mainstream psychiatrists don't want to interact with the kind of strange people and beliefs you normally encounter in psychedelic drug culture. They want to do science and understand the mind. One day they will realize these are good tools to do that despite the nonsense associated with their use.

You must be right, burnt. But it's still so crazy that someone truly interested in how our mind works gets all obstructed by taboos. I must be overstimating most psychiatrists tho.

When you choose to be a psychiatrist you are willing to interact with mentally ill people. I would rather have to do with a spaced out tripper than with a megalomaniac or whatever.

I would think alot of people would be interested in this stuff big time. I sometimes wonder if there are scientists working heavily on this stuff and we just don't know about it.

I mean the idea of a hyperspacial portal sitting in everyones, mind you cannot tell me that there aren't very serious science people interested in this.

The idea of crossing into alternate dimensions inhabited by alien entities. Are you telling me its simply relegated to hippies and fringe culture.

The more i see the power and enormity of this the more i think that there is way more than just shamans working with this.

maybe i'm just paranoid but is it possible that somewhere in a government lab they've already made contact and are sending nano bots into this thing??

Hiei I am currently studying in that area and will be taking classes on the uses of psychedelics soon. The main problem with our situation with doctors who study in the area, they are either scared to lose their jobs if research in the area because a college does control in some factors what they can study, and also they are as well educated in the area of psychodramas and entheogens as the general public is... "this is your brain on drugs." If our society was adamant about proper education in the area of drugs and the ways people successfully use them, their addictive tendencies, and their medical possibilities, then we may more individuals funding such research. I would say in the area of psychoactive substances our educators need to be more educated.

The other reason I forgot to mention is that in order to get psychiatrists and other professionals interested in something like dmt is you need to demonstrate that studying it has therapeutic value. If you can't demonstrate some kind of therapeutic value then why bother spending money and resources to study it deeper? Often applied things like drugs or chemicals that help people discover better drugs just simply come before studying things that are just interesting for the sake of being interesting.

This is why researchers who study dmt should try and take a more applied approach. Then they will be taken more seriously. I am starting to think this is why people like Strassman don't seem to be doing much these days because of funding problems.



The CIA used to give people psychedelics and try to do all kinds of crazy things. None of it worked though. No reason to be paranoid about things like this. People are studying psychedelics in science, just not many, but mostly it seems for the right reasons.



There more interested it from the perspective that drugs can make people so delusional and effect their consciousness so profoundly. I don't think anyone serious takes alternate dimension beings that serious. Which may be another reason people lose funding...

I think they just don't know what to do with it. Don't know where to start or what for.
It raises too many questions and hyperspace is just out of their reach.

Because it is illegal.

I'd say there are a lot of psychiatrists that would be very interested to study these substances, but it would be incredibly hard for them to do so. Not just for legal reasons, but also financial. Probably not many rich hippies out there to fund this sort of stuff.

Yeah I have to agree with this, I'm sure there would be a fair few people in the medical/scientific fields that would be interested in studying them but can't for various reasons.

I think its overgeneralizing a lot to say that psychiatrists aren't as interested in psychedelics as we are...

Probably ignorance to a large degree; LSD et al were studied in the 1950's, I think they were well aware of the power of the tools. Unfortunately when their use spread into mainstream culture the authorities suppressed legal access to them...ironically the local high school student has easier access to LSD than a psychologist/psychiatrist with a lab and scientific degree.

Burnt, I disagree with your assertion that psychiatrists don't wish to be associated with the sort of weirdness seen in psychedelic subculture. The psychiatrists I've known seem quite unaware of the level of sophistication seen in the subculture - in fact they tend to see psychedelic use as a form of escape from reality, rather than an attempt to see the same reality through different lenses. Certainly some of the maps we've developed seem delusional but they do work in some respects, otherwise they'd be naturally deselected. Hyperspace/alternate space entities are quite a useful way to talk about the phenomenology of the DMT experience, for example.

Hey there

First of all, I would like to clarify the difference between a psychiatrist and a psychologist. Psychiatrists are medically trained doctors (M.D.) who have chosen to specialize in treating mental disorders. At the other hand, anyone who has obtained a psychology degree is entitled to call themselves a psychologist. Eventually, after a long study, one can become a doctor of psychology (Ph.D.). Only a psychiatrist can prescribe drugs.

The psychologists are supposed to delve into the depth of human Consciousness and come up with new ideas and solutions to the existing problems. They create new hypotheses and theories, which then can be tested and re-tested. If the new findings prove to be useful, new therapies could be designed.

The psychiatrists, in my point of view, are supposed to be cool-headed and a bit conservative. In their hands lies an enormous responsibility, they are the ones who are administering therapies and/or drugs to the patients, real people. They have to choose among the existing and proven therapies, which are scientifically acceptable. They can’t go on experimenting with their own patients. So, I wouldn’t expect a society-wide psychedelic ‘breakthrough’ from this side. But, as it was the case with LSD and MDMA in the past, before these two substances were made illegal, a lot of them will happily spring on the ‘DMT-train’ as soon as the government will give a ‘green light’ to this molecule.

With psychology, on the other hand, it’s a different story. I am studying psychology myself and I can ensure you, that it’s not that grey over here. The authors of our course books mostly agree that psychedelics can indulge a profound experience. But they question themselves if it’s true Here, I will quote one passage from one of that books, which pretty much summarize, what the most modern psychologists think about psychedelics: “Psychedelics have changed many people’s lives, encouraged them to value kindness and love above all, and given them the conviction that, for once, they saw things as they really are. But are they right? Are any of these drug-induced ASCs valid, truth-giving, truly spiritual experiences, or are they just the ramblings of poisoned minds?” (Blackmore, S. (2003). Consciousness: An Introduction. London, England: Hodder Education.)

And that brings us to the final argument. What is the difference between a new mad idea and a new genius idea? Why, some people, who come up with something totally unimaginable, are considered ‘mad’ and ‘crazy’? And why some are considered ‘geniuses’? Because the geniuses have managed to prove, that their theories, ideas, ‘ramblings of the mind’, can be useful for the society as a whole. That somebody, without any prior knowledge can have a benefit from something you believe is true. Most of us don’t know a lot about the physics, math, chemistry, biology etc., but as we go on with our daily lives, we profit from the findings in all areas of the science. That makes an average person believe in the science. Every time you use your mobile phone or computer, you (subconsciously) believe more and more that the science must be right, since those machines are based on some science or another. Those scientific theories, on which those devices are based, must be true, because they work. Look around you, every single object that we can make or use as human species, once existed only in someone’s head as an idea or thought, which he proved to be useful. Something doesn’t need to be ‘absolutely true’ to be useful for the humanity. That’s why Einstein, Newton, Edison, Copernicus, Tesla, Freud, James, Aristotle, Plato etc. are considered to be Great Scientists or even Geniuses. Many, many of the old theories are outdated or have been revised by now. So, probably none of those scientists have acquired the absolute, undisputable truths about how the world works. And it doesn’t matter at all, as long as it works.

And I am absolutely sure, that the same principle applies to psychology and DMT. It doesn’t matter at all, what DMT really does to you. Maybe, you don’t even exist, how about that? The only thing that matters is it’s usefulness for the society. Right now, DMT is simply a drug, which fucks up your brain pretty much. But as soon as you can get something useful out of it, above the chance levels, you become a scientist working with a new compound It doesn’t matter, what is ‘really’ going on, when you are on DMT. Proving that it opens a portal to another dimensions and not simply a tool to investigate your mind brings you nowhere. You have to prove, that whatever is going on in there, might be useful for people outside the psychedelic community and who couldn’t care less about anything beyond the materialistic world or ‘enlightment’.

Look at the Lucid Dreaming as an example. In 1980 Stephen LaBerge scientifically proved that lucid dreams really exist. 30 years have passed, a generation changed, but it’s not like everybody is practicing lucid dreaming over night The public opinion is more like this: ‘Yes, there is a phenomenon called lucid dreaming. It exists, but it’s not useful in your day to day business. So, why care to practice and explore, put your time and energy into something that eventually will not benefit you in your real life?’

And last, but not least. I am very, very glad that communities like dmt-nexus exist. They help the whole humanity to amass the needed knowledge to proceed to the next level of our mutual development. Every bit of knowledge, every bit of information and every letter you type brings the humanity closer to heaven, or at least a brighter existence . This information will be needed by anyone, wishing to study DMT or any other ASC (Altered State of Consciousness). Even the greatest of scientists have to start somewhere, when studying a new subject. Albert Einstein’s magnificent theories were based on the findings of thousands and thousands less known scientists, who lived long before him. Without their work and the information that they have amounted during hundreds of years of scientific research, Einstein would never be able to come up with anything. Imagine Einstein being born in a world, where even an alphabet doesn’t exist yet

So yeah, it takes a Genius (Great Scientist) to transform a massive amount of lose information into 1 sound and well-connected theory, but everybody can add something to that information pool to the best of his/her abilities

Eternal love to all.

excellent post astralex.

but first:



you could be right i really don't know how they feel about it. i can just imagine someone who is rather serious about studying the mind being turned off by someone who thinks his subjective visions are the end all of knowledge.


To continue what astralex is saying. I think many people who study the mind think psychedelics are interesting but not anymore interesting then lets say psychosis. Studying psychosis has serious implications for society, drugs that have been developed for schizophrenia literally save millions of dollars, keep institutions from over crowding, and sometimes allow people to get back into society even if only marginally. Is studying psychedelics going to lead to similar advancements?

People should remember that science is largely funded by the public and also industry fuels it too. If the public doesn't see benefits coming from science or see the point in investing millions in some project its not likely to get funded. Even something as massively curious and fascinating to nearly everybody as the space program gets funding cuts because people aren't see immediate benefits. Of course there are long term interests with such a program but its just unfortunately not a priority. Science costs lots of money and there isn't enough to go around so the things that are most important get the most attention and funding.

If you really want to fund work on DMT you would need a foundation that could raise a few million. Not too many of those around. I don't think Strassman is getting much for his cottonwood thingy.

So the question is what benefit is there to studying DMT?

I can think of a couple:

DMT might be a useful tool for studying consciousness which might lead to the development of drugs to solve certain mental illness's. DMT and other similar amines might lead to a better understanding of the trace amine receptors system for example which new drugs could one day be developed for. The same goes for serotonin and other receptors it interacts with, although there are a quite a bit of drugs interacting with serotonin these days. Drugs can lead to ideas for new drugs. This doesn't mean DMT will one day be a drug but it might lead to ideas for therapeutic drugs.

If you think along these lines you can get money.

I think as a general goal perhaps we should be attempting to extract useable information out of hyperspace. There are enough people on here doing it on a regular basis. One would think that at some point someone would stumble on some piece of useful information. useful in a practical sense for the rest of humanity. how bout a specific star system location where a tangeable signal could be picked up for starters.

Until some real specifics can be extracted from hyperspace science can always say its just an invention of the mind and not a real place.

there are many arguments here including the one that could say that whatever is going on in these realms we are not evolved enough to understand it even if they layed it out on a platter for us.