How about, as a model of the universe, or of reality itself in its entirety:

An eternally folding reflective punctured torus of one consciousness, no inside, no outside, no beginning no end,
bending, gyrating, enveloping, folding over itself and reflecting the reflection of itself reflecting - this multitude of reflections creating the illusion of many, of infinite consciousnesses, all containing all others but distinct unto itself...

Just a-musin'...

JBArk

embracethevoid, Mooshy, and damiana:

Wise words and good insights from all of you. Yes I feel it too, it ebbs and flows, but the energy building for a moment of great change has been ramping up for a while. I feel that we are on the verge of a large veil lifting, and that it will be impossible for many people to ignore what is going on any longer...

I think we all feel it. I know I do. But this is nothing new – it’s part of being human.

Human beings have felt that they were on the verge of great change for thousands of years. The tantalizing desire for change and growth, and the belief that unprecedented change is just around the corner, is what keeps us moving forward. Or at least moving.

The kind of answers and attitude from the poster above is a perfect example of what we DONT want in this forum, completely against the attitude we are trying to maintain, and for this reason he had his account suspended for 2 weeks. When he comes back we hope he will express himself more respectfully.

In the meanwhile, if you guys want to continue the discussion, please do so... Just please do not continue with insulting, fight stiring or passive agressive ironic kind of comments.

Good day to all

Eschaton you have a very interesting view on the psychedelic experience. Very refreshing.

edit: very very interesting indeed.
i dont have anymore time right now but im surely going to check out more of your posts

an infinite donut in motion, all points on it in constant expansion and then drawn back into the center, destroyed and recreated as they are expelled on the other side in a cosmic orgasmic black hole.

So we think OUR little problems are important?!?!

Hmmm...I was just thinking this the other day. Talk about synchronicity!

Check out Nassim Haramein. He has some very interesting theories based upon finding a different solution to Einstien's field equations. He has some youtube videos, as well as information at his site (including his papers in which the math is beyond me) http://www.theresonanceproject.org/

Essentially he posits that there is a black hole at the center of everything...that it is a mini-black hole at the center of atoms that keeps them together, not the strong nuclear force. Coriolis effect and spin has never been sufficiently explained in the universe, in fact there is basically no accounting for it. Where does that originate? A mini-black hole is like the eye of a hurricane, the calmness at the center of everything.

I read his paper. This one:

http://www.theresonancep...arzschild_proton_a4.pdf

Its really badly written by the way as a scientific paper but thats beside the point. I know a bit about spin from nuclear magnetic resonance spectroscopy (NMR) and I think this guy is way off about spin and way off about his concept of a proton.

Lets go through a few points.

Quote:
Remarkably, a Schwarzschild condition proton as a mass ( 8.851014 gm)
approximately 38 orders of magnitude higher than the standard proton mass
(1.671024 gm ), producing a gravitational effect strong enough to confine both the
protons and the quarks.


His model can't just change claim that the mass of a proton is 38 orders of magnitude higher without explaining why experimental evidence explains what its mass is. This is a really huge glaring nonsense claim. It refutes his own theory. We know the mass of electrons and protons! If this was true the periodic table would be completely meaningless and wrong.

Furthermore how can the gravitational mass of his schwarzschild proton contain more then one proton (he uses plural there) and the quarks. The single proton (which he is describing as a "schwarzschild proton"Wink is made up of quarks so why does he speak as if they are separate entities? One is made of the others. Also hes got a spelling mistake up there.

Now lets move onto his scaling law for organized matter.

Quote:
A plot of Log Mass (gm) vs. Log Radius (cm) for objects from the Universe to a
Planck black hole. The light red line is a least squares trend line. The graph clearly
demonstrates a tendency for different scales’ masses to form and cluster along an
approximate linear progression. Although the Schwarzschild proton falls nicely on
the trend line, the standard proton is far from it.


First lets deal with the planck sized black hole at the bottom. A black hole can theoretically exist any mass higher then the planck mass. So lets assume that I guess he means a planck sized black hole of one unit of planck mass. That number is a real number. Its also a macroscopic measure of mass. One planck mass equals 0.000021767 grams. Thats 2.1767 micrograms. Thats a huge number compared with the mass of a real proton which is 1.6726231e-24 grams. That means his smallest unit of measure in his scale is massively huger then a real proton. This makes absolutely no sense. It really doesn't. It also makes no sense that his so called model of a proton the schwarschild proton is has a mass larger then 2.17 micrograms.

Also what about all the other galaxy clusters? Do they have the same size? Not all pulsars have the same size. Not all stars have the same size. This is a completely arbitrary decision of scales. Its not a law by any means.

Finally lets deal with his “anomalous” magnetic moment.

Quote:
We calculate the “anomalous” magnetic moment [5] of the proton using a simple
model where the proton is a sphere with a Compton radius of 1.321 Fermi spinning at
the speed of light, c, with a point proton charge at its equator. The magnetic moment is
given as:
2
  qrv (15)
where q is an elementary charge of 1.602176531019 Coulombs , the proton radius is
1.321 10 15 pr  meters and the velocity v  2.998108 m/ s giving a value of the
magnetic moment of such a proton of 3.172591026 Joules /Tesla .
The measured magnetic moment of the proton is1.40895 1026Joules /Tesla ,
which is only 2.25 times smaller than our calculated value. The magnetic moment
8
calculated for a Schwarzschild proton model is remarkably close the measured value for
such a crude first approximation.
4. Conclusions
We have presented evidence that the proton may be considered as a
Schwarzschild entity and that such a system predicts remarkably well, even under crude
approximations....


This is absurd. Why because in quantum mechanics one can calculate the magnetic moment of a particle using the Dirac equation figured out by Paul Dirac in 1928. Using it to solve the magnetic moments of particles like electrons was done with Feynmanns QED (quantum electrodynamics) many years later but its based on Dirac's equations.

Even more important and even more revealing of the absurdity of this article is that using QED one can calculate the anamolous magnetic dipole moment of an electron to within ten parts in a billion. So his theory really offers absolutely nothing to physics in this regard either. QED is far more accurate. Its not two and a quarter times off its less then ten parts in a billion off according to the most accurate predictions and the most accurate measurements for electrons. I don't know the numbers for protons.


Anyway thats all I can muster. I hope at least someone out there can see that this guy is full of it.

Cheers.

Didn't I already explain why this Nassim Haramein guy is a fake?

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...posts&t=7780&p=3

And I'm not even a physicist. At all.