did you try to pre-evaporate to a third of the original amount or less before sticking in the freezer?

dont worry you probably didnt lose the spice (unless the oil was thrown away by now)


what SWIM would do is to heat up some solvent (calculate how much spice should be in the evaporating dish, and use 30ml of naphtha per expected g of spice), then put this heated naphtha together with oil, suck it all up, pre-evaporate a bit, stick it in the fridge and see what happens

Ok, so SWIM put the naptha in the freezer and let it sit overnight. He did find tiny Crystals...but only what looks like 10mg max. So his projected yield would be 40mg for 100g bark.

He suspects that he has agitated the fluid the wrong way. As I said...both layers never really mix, they stay seperate.

What should he do, how long and how should he agitate, please advise!

but thats exactly what should happen

they shouldnt mix.. The naphtha should easily separate from the rest..

turn the container upside down, then up again, then upside down again etc for a few times.


Im sure you know that the yield wont come all in one pull, so you need to separate and do it again a couple more times at least


also, did you pre-evaporate the naphtha before putting in the freezer? if you had, say, 200ml in a pull, you should evap it to 50ml for example before putting in the freezer

Thanks endlessness...SWIM scraped everything (or at least everything) from the frozen container ...not much, but his first dmt

He's decided to evap the rest of the naptha...now there's a gooey substance that smells like DMT. SWIM plans to dissolve the goo in some naptha.

He's done 2 additional pulls and a third is underway. He plans to collect the naptha to do a sodium carbonate wash before freezing it again.

This time he plans to evap the naptha till it becomes cloudy to allow better crystallization

Sounds like a plan?

Thanks for your advice...good to hear that everything is going fine....

sounds perfect..

SWIM also got that goey substance that never fully evaped/crystalized, when trying evapping.. So SWIM now always goes for freeze precipitation (but I understand that in SWIY´s case, the evaping is being done after the freeze, just to get all the goodies that might be left)

so I guess indeed what SWIY can do is dissolve the goo in warm naphtha, pre-evap a bit and hten into the freezer again..

The rest sounds as SWIM does.. pre-evap until cloudy is good, but you can pre-evap even a bit more.. There wont be a problem if you evap ´too much´, but you might have some spice that does not precipitate if you pre-evap too little

good luck

Thanks!

I've just checked my friends house and the fluid doesn't turn cloudy at all
He's combined 3 pulls and is now down to 100ml ..but the naphta smells like dmt. My friend says that he's gonna evap it till it hits 50ml before putting it in the freezer. The first pull's yield was about 50mg so he's hoping for more as 50mg would be a 0.05% yield ...

The next 3 pulls = 3 times the first pull but more yellow. But it seems that the fith pull still produces crystals. How many should SWIM do? 569 ?

well, one or two more should be enough to get most of it I guess

what SWIM does is combine the crystals from the few last pulls, the yellower ones, and then do a recrystalization on them.. you might lose a third to half of it, but the result is worth it in SWIM´s opinion (unless you have very little stuff to begin with, then might be better keep it as it is)

He's got very little...but the smoke is almost unbearable ..like inhaling broken glass ..

Is that normal ?

well, thats the thing.. DMT smoke is felt as harsh by many people, even very pure

but the harshness can also be due to NaOH remains or maybe too much plant oils and such..

you will only really know if you have both to compare and see how harsh is pure DMT for SWIY


how is SWIY smoking it, btw? pipe, bong, or. ?

I've asked my friend and he's vaporizing it with a glass bubble. Btw..I've got word that he did another 2 pulls, now 6 in total before he called quits. Got quite some spice out of it but a part of it was very dirty with traces of lye. So he decided to melt it in warm naptha to perform a recrytallisation and a sodium carbonate wash afterwads.

Unfortunatly, not everything melted so he's washed quite a bit away with his washing water. He could see the crystals on to of the washing layer..but couldn't suck them up...poor crystals!

He plans to mix the new batch with the previous batch (washed but only one crystallisation, yellow in color)

But after testing out wether the new batch is a smoother smoke.

Using Noman's tek (STB), do you mix the basified water, bark, and solvent all together and then strain and seperate? Or do you mix the basified water and bark, strain, then mix the solution with the solvent and seperate? Sorry to be such a noob...

My friend has put bark, lye and water together ...then added the solvent...agitated and put the solvent in a container to freeze.

SWIM is using an STB tek. SWIM was wondering if it would be fine to pre-mix the basic solution a few days before adding the bark while waiting for the bark to arrive in the mail. Anything wrong with that?

^^^So long a s the ph remains the same SWIM thinks it would be fine. Test the ph again before using.

So should SWIM just combine the bark/water/lye mixture and the Naptha all together? What is the best way of removing the Naptha? SWIM has a separator funnel, should SWIM just mix in that and let separate. Is the Naptha gonna float or sink?

As long as it's in plastic, that's fine. I don't understand the point of it though... why not just mix it when the bark arrives?

Float.

SWIM is an impatient man. But why would it be in plastic? Wouldn't glass be better?

Strong lye solutions etch glass.

But I'm still confused, I don't see where impatience enters into it. Mixing the lye solution isn't getting anything done. If anything, it's just ensuring that you have unequivocal evidence of illegal intent when the bark shows up.

I don't see why the pH would change so SWIM will do it as planned.

As for your question, combine water and lye, mix thoroughly, add bark, shake well, add naptha, roll it around (do not shake) and let separate. After it separates roll it around some more and let separate again. Do that 3 times total (or more). Naptha will be the clear-ish layer that floats on top. SWIM uses a syringe to remove the naptha layer. More time consuming, but SWIM gets every drop of naptha and it is very easy to see if SWIM sucked up any lye. Separator funnel should work fine.