Gibran2.

I fully understand what youve said about using your vaporiser and being unaware of inhaling anything when the fumes are not visible-its not discernible at all.That is what I experience with the foil, a totally pleasant effect on both head and lungs.

I dont want to come across as giving a lecture on the technique but I feel its necessary to add a few things.

First, exhale fully.

Second, if the DMT is liquified AND moving on the foil it will be emitting vapor.

Third, suck very slowly to a full inhalation.If this point is mastered, its not unreasonable to vaporise 35-40mg perfectly in this one breath.This takes me 25-30 seconds.If 40-45mg is on the foil, a second inhalation of about 10-15 seconds will certainly finish it off.

Fourth, lie back as your reality fragments in a most alarming fashion.

40mg is sufficient for me to breakthrough in as profound a fashion as I would ever want.Doing it in 3 shorter breaths will also cause a breakthrough but not quite so vicious.Admittedly, the last of the 3 breaths can be a bit of a challenge.

Whilst being at risk of eulogizing too much, its a method which can be used in any indoor setting without the need for any implements specifically required for smoking like vaporisers/bongs/glass pipes.

Although my 'mastery' of this technique has been acquired through several wasted years, if mastered it can serve you well for anything freebaseable-if such a word exists.

corpus callosum, and what does this have to do with the OP?

If you want you can start a topic in smoking forum "how to smoke DMT out of foil"

Zig, that vaping of the herb and getting blasted from leftovers must have been intense, nice to see that you handled it so well.

Gammagore-my sincerest apologies.I feel I have lauded the merits of the foil enough now.I assure you, it will not happen again.......and maybe you are right, a topic of such profound significance does merit its own post!!!

Ha! Thank you I appreciate that. It was positively the best DMT experience I have had yet, and i am wonderfully glad it happened, but I ALWAYS try to avoid stupidity like that, it could have been a tragedy if I was not sitting at home in my most comfortable chair at 2AM

Also I thank you guys for the Mesh idea. It works wonders. I have tried DMT out of every device advised by experienced nexians and this is BY FAR the very best. Maybe it's not for everybody but from now on it is my preferred-#1-Gold standard-ONLY WAY to smoke DMT

Aside from my beloved changa joints which may not be the most efficient, but I do love them every so much.


Thank you everybody, much gratitude

SWIM has tried several methods of spice consumption he wants to report to simplify the life of other spice users.

Snorting Spice

SWIM had to snort spice to get a trip before he learnt how to vaporize right. If SWIM does spice in his nose, it is very unpleasant and the nose hurts a lot. But SWIM’s will to experience a trip was stronger than the pain. After snorting 100 mg spice for two sub sequential trips, SWIM’s nose was running for a week. So, learn to vaporize, do not snort.

Vaporizing Spice

Spice needs low temperature of only 50°C to become liquid and a good air flow along the liquid surface to vaporize. If SWIM does it right, his spice smoking experience is more pleasant than smoking a cigarette for the first time! SWIM barely tastes or smells the spice and SWIM rarely feels the need to cough when his lungs are full of smoke.

The pot scrubber used in the Mini-Machine offers big surface hot air can pass along. That is also why vaporization of spice out of a light bulb or a spoon does not work!

Vaporization with a bong and scrubber

SWIM bought a simple glass bong to try vaporization with a scrubber. It works and is the best method for beginners. You do not need to fill your bong with water, use it as a big pipe instead. The bong cylinder is very helpful to prepare a dense smoke and to get a strong hit in one toke. Do not use a lighter. Always use a mini bunsen burner!
Melt spice into the lower part of the scrubber. Do not be afraid that it will vaporize during the melting; only a small amount will. Put the scrubber into the bong head. Heat the upper part of the scrubber with the mini burner. The heat will spread along the scrubber strings. Inhale slowly as the heat spreads, than stronger as you see the white smoke coming.

Advantages of this method:
+ Pricy,
+ suitable for beginners,
+ suitable for group sessions.

Drawbacks of this method:
- SWIM tastes the scrubber metal in his mouth and lungs,
- the scrubber produces a very unpleasant aftertaste of burned metal,
- scrubber metal becomes brittle after several uses, and small dark particles fall off the surface that could be inhaled.

Glass Vapor Genie (GVG)

SWIM puts seven or more original screens on top of each other. This will create a good mesh where liquid spice can spread without leaking into the pipe. Loading the pipe is easy: put the necessary amount of spice on top and melt it with the mini burner. Do not toke - just let the liquid spice enter the mesh!
GVG comes with a ceramic filter. Except for the obvious reason it is useful for two further things: temperature regulation and equal distribution of hot air. SWIM does not inhale without the ceramic filter, as it will only burn the screens.
Toke slowly at the beginning to raise the temperature inside the pipe. When the pipe fills with dense white smoke SWIM starts to inhale.

Advantages:
+ Clean and easy loading of the spice,
+ SWIM barely tastes or smells the spice,
+ SWIM does not experience aftertaste.

Disadvantages:
- GVG costs 100 USD,
- not suitable for beginners,
- not suitable for group sessions.

Thanks for reading.

Do you burn the scrubber first before use?

And if I may add, their are a few reports from gibran2 of using that metal scrubber in the GVG too with great success.

I burned the scrubber prior to usage. It still produces a distinct metal aftertaste. By the way, I detected this aftertaste clearly after using GVG with filter.

I also used scrubber in the GVG and got a great hit. But it was disappointing to me to use the same method as in the bong while sensing that the ceramic filter is a valuable upgrade. GVG with ceramic filter delivered the most clean and pleasant smoke so far.

What kind of metal are you using? Stainless steel pot scrubbers seem to use a very low quality stainless steel – not much different than steel wool (not good). Copper, if not over-heated, produces no metallic odor or flavor (at least for me). Copper also seems less prone to oxidation.

Regarding using the diffuser with the GVG – well of course you use it! It isn’t an accessory. Without the diffuser in place, all you have is an expensive glass pipe. The diffuser is what makes the GVG a vaporizer. No diffuser = no vaporization.

i too am quite experienced smoking off of foil (ice, a little different than opiates), but IMO foil is no way to vape spice. i dont doubt your technique becuase i know myself that dmt can effectively be vaped on foil, but there are SO MANY better ways to do it. it like smoking weed on foil, it works but there are better ways to do it. try changa, its much more pleasant and forgiving and you dont look like your tweakin in a corner with your precious foil and straw....

Current oberservations brought SWIM to the conclusion that the scrubber is not the single reason for aftertaste.

The remainings of the gas from his mini bunzen burner cause unpleasant aftertaste in his mouth and in his lungs too. If he directs the flame of the burner on a water surface for ten seconds, a spot occures similar to a naphta spot. This prooves that there are indeed remainings from the burned gas.

SWIM uses a normal lighter refill gas (14% propan / 86% butan) by CFH (the manufacturer is known for soldering devices).


Thanks to gibran2 for the advise with the copper scrubber (will test it) and clarification of what vaporization means :-)

Anyone know where I can buy one?

Cheers

Bod

Thanks Snozzleberry,

After a purveyor in the UK but at least I know what one looks like now aand shall e-mail them to find out if there are UK sellers.

Thanks again

Bod

The website ships to the UK, you will have to track down physical store fronts yourself if you don't want to buy from the website.

Glass Vapor Genies (not regular Vapor Genies) are only available online. From the VaporGenie website:

“These pipes are not available for wholesale, so you will not find them anywhere except here on our website.”

SWIM is looking to buy a vaporgenie, but he's not sure he wants to get it if it's only advantageous to smoking DMT. Does anyone know if it smokes herbs or cannabis well as well?

Well, I have the gvg, so i can't really comment specifically on the regular VG, but assuming it's just as well made or close to it, it should vape herbs/cannabis like a champ. Ask Gir about how he got completely stoned off his GVG and fell asleep standing up if you want a good story to demonstrate the effectiveness of VG's products . You should be good to vape just about anything with the vg.

Haha sounds good, that short summary has made up SWIM's mind. I'm assuming the GVG is glass? SWIM was looking into getting that one anyway.

Yup, GVG = Glass Vapor Genie. It's a little pricey, but it's hard to find a better, more versatile vaporizer.

Ok thanks. I value your opinion