Has anyone used pure DMT-n-oxide for pharmahuasca and were the effects anything different than using white or jimjam spice?

SWIM's recent tests suggest that the yellow impurities in much of the naptha-pulled DMT may be "jungle DMT" instead of DMT-n-oxide, especially if evaporated, so as much as yellow spice may be slightly different than white DMT there is a good chance that DMT-n-oxide is not the culprit. So as much as pharma experiences are great to hear about, only pure DMT-n-oxide experiences please.

Many thanks!



For anyone bold or curious enough to try this, the conversion is quite simple albiet not to exact, SWIM's use of equal parts acetone and 3% peroxide made the end product yellow-brown and definitely no longer N-N-DMT though the minimum amount needed is unknown

1.Dissolve white DMT in some acetone.
2.Add some hydrogen peroxide.
3.Evaporate

Whether heated evaporation affects the effects is unclear. It definitely doesn't effect N-N-DMT or Jungle DMT so there wouldn't seem to be a reason it would effect DMT-N-oxide, but nonetheless smoking it was 1/3 or less effective than either any other DMT evaporated with heat or not.

Watch out when mixing acetone with peroxide. This is how you make acetone peroxide, a very unstable powerful explosive. Although mixing them together in that way it poses no real problem, the fact that they are potentially reactive to each other makes me doubt whether SWIY got dmt-n-oxide using this route.

I have seen phlux using the same method and getting something (I don't remember exactly) like dmt-n-oxide-ish but not quite dmt-n-oxide? It is hard to say but for the moment you may not have dmt-n-oxide or you may have a mixture of different stuff. Please tell SWIY to take this into account in your dmt-n-oxide endeavours

It would be better for SWIY to make it with just peroxide or with little amounts of ethanol to dissolve the freebase, then repeat the experience experiments.

SWIM finds the evidence for the formation and presence of dmt n oxide a bit lacking. But SWIM is unsure what kind of analytical procedure to take to see whats up. Maybe direct MS.

Any other way to do the conversion without acetone? Would it work with peroxide and ethanol?

Yes, or even IPA.

Okay, SWIM will make some and try it himself. It was a long-shot anyway.

He just tried a dropper full of harmine-acetates and 23.75mg of white DMT-acetates in a gel-cap and had a very mild but pretty nice trip.
He'll try the exact same thing in the future but with DMT-n-oxide and report the results in this thread.

And this time he'll use IPA, thanks for the concern and info everyone!

While making the DMt-N-oxides he was starting from his white DMT-acetate tincture and he thought maybe he'd try just adding the DMT-acetate to peroxide and evaporating it to see if that would work.

He quickly did this over heat (ample ventilation) which always works without loss with jungle, jimjam or white DMT and ended up with a orange-brown goo. This is much different than the pale-yellow goo he gets from evaporating the acetates normally.

A bioessay of the product, 23.75mg original DMT weigh, produced no visuals or tracers, only mild-medium mental effects. This same amount of white would floor SWIM and likely be a full breakthrough.


When SWIM does the pharma test he will not use heat for evaporation just to be safe, but a very simple procedure for DMT-N-oxide is

1.Dissolve DMT in vinegar
2:add some 3% hydrogen peroxide
3.Evaporate, over heat of 80-100C until it no longer smells of vinegar to produce freebase DMT-N-oxide, or at room temp for DMT-N-oxide-acetate