Thank you everyone for expressing your views on the subject. Coming into this I was thinking that it could be OK for a person to occasionally use cocaine, but after reading all of your views, I have come to the conclusion that it is not for me to participate in anymore.

If people were extracting and distributing the product in a more respectful manner, I could say that I would probably occasionally indulge.. but the fact that so much negative energy goes into the process of extraction and distribution makes me now think differently.

This wording is where I stand on it. I just like it too much. The same for marijuana, opiates, tobacco, alcohol, nitrous, all those "comfort drugs." I haven't been willing to try heroine, mainly, because I figure I will love it and from then on it will be something I use once a year or so. I know that the regular use of these substances greatly increases the negative effects associated with each drug. The health issues, dealers, the black-market, addiction, withdrawal, the lies and deception to one's self and others, etc. all are effects that become more and more probable or inevitable the more and more I use them.

Matter of fact, I rarely will snort cocaine (if I get a hold of it). I will make rock. Like I said, I like the stuff way too much. "...cocaine combines with alcohol in the liver to form cocaethylene. Studies have suggested cocaethylene is both more euphorigenic..."* When I get it, I make it last, but I won't get more than one gram once a year. It's actually been a year and a couple months now. Just get a gram, do little bumps the day I get it with a little alcohol, and the rest is smoked over a month or two.
I like to keep the doses very low compared to the average user, but I really don't care for stimulants, in general.

I don't say cocaine is bad, or cocaine-use is irresponsible. I just know that regular (daily or weekend) use isn't for me. Then again, I wouldn't say the use of heroine is "bad," it just definitely not for me. I'm not even willing to go there.

*http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/72505873/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0

about ten years ago I had an 8ball a day habit that lasted about a year...... I haven't touched the stuff now for about 8 years I'll never touch it again , ever.

It's garbage and I almost lost my life over it.

Horrible stuff!!!!

IMHO its never ok to do the stuff. You never know for sure where your gona stand when you run out. God forbid you decide to smoke it. Your Dooomed. You cant beat it.


Dont do this shit!

Honestly I find it hard to understand why people like cocain and how anyone can possibly be addicted to it..but thats just my experience with it. When I tried it once, i felt very sketchy and sort of cracked outm without any pleasant effects..it just felt like a dirty, horrible psychoactive effect. There wasnt one sinlge pleasant aspect of the experience for me. Ive watched people I was close to just fall into the worst places with the stuff, so its odd to me since I thought that it must be quite pleasurable, yet it wasnt at all in my experience. I just have this memory of the stuff being a sketchy as hell feeling.

I really thank god that I never got into substances that take so much. I basically came straight to psychedelics, cannabis, mushrooms and salvia all sort of at the same time. I took cannabis before I ever drank alcohol, and got over alcohol real fast. Mayeb this is becasue I was very anti drugs in high school im not quite sure. But I have just watched so many people go downhill with cocaine, opiates and alcohol that I dont care for substances like that at all.

You should thank you lucky stars that you dont have an afinity to it.

Cocaine addiction is real and it destroys lives pretty fast.

I have used-not abused-cocaine HCl and freebase from time to time and in terms of the hit, the base is the way to go.Some people clearly really get off on the hit-the stimulation, the garrulous sense of self-confidence seems to fulfill a need in those who play with it too much.Personally I feel it has no legs, and is all rush with no tail.As a complete package the 10-15 minute buzz with the base is outweighed by the tetchy feeling it leaves you with.It does go remarkably well with opiates however.

Opiates are much much more seductive; these have the ability to give the user whatever feeling they desire-serenity, confidence without the bodyload/stimulation of coca, a sense that all is well with the world, like Santas been round and the presents are awaiting your attention in the morning.....an absence of all that rankles.Its this power which propels the user towards injudicious use and the major problems with addiction, both physical and mental.Coca is heavily psychologically addictive with much less of the physical.

The thing about opiates is to enjoy the buzz, you need to push yourself beyond the initial experiences which tend to be physically nauseating.I guess those who go on to addiction either lack some factor (or ? have some additional factor) in their makeup which makes them visit the hit again and again but the paradox is that once you can appreciate the pleasant effects, you are closer to addiction than you think.Soon it becomes like an uninspring marriage and you can function for quite some time-till the money runs out, usually.The stuff has a vice-like grip which is so hard to overcome, leaving the hapless addict in a wasteland of their own making.

I hate cocaine. It's one of the few substances of wich i'm glad that it's illegal.

Everybody who uses it will at one moment be destroyed by it. With some people it happens fast and with others it takes a while, but everybody who uses it on a regular base will at some moment become a victim of it's destructive power.

It is poison for the mind. It turns people into selfish egomaniaks. It triggers anti-social behaviour. It's an anti-social drug.

A user once told me "i'm a fantastic person when i'm on cocaine".

That pretty much describes what it does to people and also what i hate about it.

I agree with almost all you said polytrip, except for the being glad is illegal part. I think you should very well know by now that prohibition only increases or creates problems that wouldnt be there in the first place if it wasnt for the laws. Prohibition is perverse and automatically leads to more undesired consequences than what it pretends to solve. Prohibition also does NOT, as all the data show, diminish the amount of users, in fact the inverse, so I really cannot understand how anybody, specially you, would want any drug to be illegal if you just reflect a little bit on what that actually means.

With that being said, having lived in south america nearly all my life, I have seen the damage of cocaine and of cocaine business (and prohibition) from up close. I've seen several people get lost because of it, I've seen the horrible violence associated with it's commerce, and the general unsustainability of the whole industry. For many people living in the so-called developed countries, cocaine is associated with glamour, but to me its anything BUT glamorous. I think everyone buying cocaine should be aware that they are giving money to a VERY bad industry, giving money for the purchase of weapons and support of violence, for chemical dumping, land clearing and destruction of rainforest in unsustainable plantations, etc. Also against what a lot of people might think, money from cocaine buying does not go to poor south american farmers, those keep barely making their living. The ones who are making money are the big unscrupulous drug barons.

The way I see, its like every line of cocaine comes with the weight of a drop of blood. It disgusts me, I wouldnt touch it with a 10 feet pole and I wouldnt let anybody ever come in with it in my house.

I also think in psychological terms its unsustainable, its an ego-feeding drug that presents no positive changes in long term.

To anybody that uses it and rationalizes saying: oh but its the fault of prohibition that im giving money to the bad industry', dont be so naive. Fact is, things are the way they are, and you as a conscious (or not) consumer will have a great impact in maintaining or not this industry. One could say its the fault of the industry that there are child-slaves making nike shoes, and it may well in some part be true, but Im still not buying the nike shoes because I think whenever we buy anything, we are implicitly signing a contract that says "I accept to be morally accounted and am co-responsible for every step that happened before this substance/product got to my hands".

I highly advise those using cocaine to stop immediately, but I know that me saying so wont make any difference...

Btw, coca-leaf is something completely different, of course. Nobody will get addicted with chewing or ingesting coca leaves, its not the big drug barons making money when you get some, and neither will its effects create negative psychological changes.


and to answer the alcohol question: I also think, in a different way, the alcohol industry is unscrupulous and it shouldnt be supported. I also really dislike alcohol's effects, not only on myself but on others around me. I do not drink ever, even one drop, and I think the world would be a better place without it. But each one to his own, as long as people are not drinking and driving, being stupid on the streets, bothering others, shouting, being vandals, picking fights, (all of which are what most drunk people seem to do, unfortunately) etc... I also think its a big hipocresy that some drugs are prohibited and others are advertised. I think its a disgrace that there exists advertisement for alcohol, associating sex/fun with drinking, and to me that should definitely be prohibited (the advertisements, not alcohol itself)

Maybe you're right and maybe it should be legalized.
My feelings about the substance are of total disgust and loathing for it, still.
Anything that would diminish the use of it would be a blessing to the world we live in.

Coca leaves are another story indeed and it's good that worldwide, there is a movement towards allowing coca leaves to be used traditionally or as tea or wine.

That's my feeling exactly about marijuana. Does that mean it should be made illegal? SWIM was super addicted to marijuana. It nearly ruined his life. Cocaine did nothing for SWIM. Cocaine is boring. But marijuana was the absolute perfect addiction for SWIM. He spent all day, everyday smoking it for many years. It was super hard to stop.

For SWIM marijuana was the most addictive drug in the world. So because I hate it that much, it should be made illegal? Is that fare to everyone else?

For SWIM marijuana was 100 times more addictive than cocaine, opium, tobacco, alchol, and all the rest.

mj more addictive than cocaine and opium? come on ron thats nonsense. mj isnt physically addictive so straight away theres a major difference between mj and opiates etc. alcohol is one of the biggest ruiners of lives not mj. i think you were mentally addicted to mj and couldnt stop it because you had no incentive to stop. stating mj is more addictive than the substances you said is just wrong and really just sounds like a pewrsonal hatred of mj and yourself at that time.

ron said in his first post in this thread "Drugs are just molecules, that’s all. There is nothing bad about a molecule. It's the people who choose to become addicts that are to blame, not the drug itself" and then he said ^^^ see above, dont make sense to me ron.

Makes perfect sense. He made a choice to use pot all day everyday so there fore becoming an addict.As stated earlier even icecream can be addicting. Also while not physically addicting I feel pot can be very mentally addicting.

Well I'm not 69Ron but understood clearly he spoke about his personnal experience.
He never stated MJ is highly physically adddictive compared to alcool, opiates or cocaine products.

That being said, tehre's no point to do a war on certain drugs here, I think. I see the point of MS Manic Minxx about problems occuring with its production and trafic. There is lots of criminality around cocaine and its derivatives.
But in history it was one of the extracted anesthetic. It can have some potential for psychology as we know Freud and a few used it to develop their experience and in-depth analysis.
Now I'm not a big fan of recreationnal cocaine use or trafic.
Again if everybody was more responsible and educated... in the best of the world..

I swear this is just a myth made up by stoners to make them feel more innocent about their habits. MJ is way addictive. Further more, people are ok driving on it. Even my heavier drinking friends will sober up when they want to get in a car, but MJ users just keep on smoking. The only time they stop is when they go to sleep and you can guarantee they role a pretty strong joint before bedtime.

I tried coke once. I didn't like it... or dislike it for that matter, other than the fact it made me a little bit rude to folks. I had one joint when I was younger, then before long it seemed that few days went by without me having a joint.

Yeah maybe I'm just an odd statistic, but it seems to me there are a lot of us out there.

The main fact of the matter is that different kinds of personalities get addicted to substances that suite them. Although there are substances out there that are more addictive statistically, it's not a rule of nature that they will have that effect on all who use them.

Yuk, dreadfull stuff it is, I hate coke, ive seen many friends go down the drain from coke use. Terrible!!

Now on the subject of the addictiveness of coke, yes it is addictive, if one has the money to spend, I know a few people that owned there own bussiness and ended up snorting it away, sad. For me it was easier to kick my coke habit than it was to kick my mj habit.

These days, I doupt il ever touch the stuff again, and ive saved huge amounts of cash and I dont like the feeling I get from it.

jus saw title of thread = DEVIL DRUG (imo) well it just cause's lots of probs, plus greedy, egos n all the other budles of joy attached to it

Yes cannabis IS physically addictive, and yes there is such a thing as cannabis withdrawl.

I don't see how anyone can consider weed addictive. Swim will smoke every day for a few weeks and then suddenly stop for a while with no problems.
Usually he'll get a large back and smoke it over a few weeks every day, then go a while without any.

Never noticed any addictiveness. Other than thinking "It'd be cool to be high right now"