Hey guys, its been quite awhile since I last posted here, so I figured I would stop by to see if any of you would care to read some of my latest DMT-inspired material. For those of you that are interested, I have recently taken some time to extensively update my site. The topics covered are something that I believe will be of high relevance to many of the posters here, hence why I am dropping by. Please understand, my website doesn't have ads or anything, i.e., I am not doing this for any kind of money or egoic BS. This site is strictly for sharing my thoughts with like-minded people; most of all, it is a personal hobby that I enjoy immensely. So please, if you care to, take the time to read a little bit of what I have written. If you do, let me know what you think; I would really appreciate any and all feedback.

I am looking forward to adding an addendum to this initial post with a post regarding the DMT Entities, as I am just about finished with it, but I figured that I would at least re-introduce "my" work to some of you here first.


http://www.wedietorememberwhatwelivetoforget.com/

And so, the big question: What happens to our consciousness when we die? Do we merely cease to exist and fade to black, or do we experience a continuity beyond our ability to imagine? To effectively answer this question, you must first and foremost have an experiential frame of reference upon which to base your deductions, otherwise any effort made will ultimately be stifled by the conceptually limited scope of merely inferential knowledge. This is because inferential knowledge cannot replace first hand experience, especially in this case where we are dealing with such a proverbial black hole as death. Induction via the scientific method doesn't stand a chance to provide a definitive answer to this perennial question because this experience cannot be observed objectively and it most certainly cannot be reduced to mere mechanics of biology, as made clear by Near-Death Experience research.

This is to say that, in order to truly understand death, you must be formally acquainted with it experientially; literally, you must experience death and somehow live to tell about it. Understandably, the vast majority of people lack this prerequisite for forming a conceptually deep understanding of death and so they are obliged to seek higher council, so to speak, when confronted with such questions beyond their ability to answer. It is for this very reason that we have depended upon enlightened individuals* to provide us with a relative frame of reference upon which to base our beliefs about our existence. When such individuals are lacking, or are disposed of for their influential nature by corrupted individuals, our collective understanding suffers greatly and all too often we are coerced into a state of unconscious malaise, such as the state we inhabit right now. Our only way to combat this unfortunate unconsciousness is by consulting individuals whom have experienced enlightenment, otherwise we are sure to remain in the dark with our governmentally sanctioned view of reality.

*It must be noted, that by merely saying "enlightened individuals", I am leaving a lot open tointerpretation. So, to make myself perfectly clear; enlightened individuals are people who have come to have a Universal frame of reference due to experiences in their lives that, over time, directed them toward integrating their psyche with the world. Some individuals experience enlightenment during certain instances, such as mystical, near-death, or psychedelic experiences, often changing their lives forever; some come to experience it through years of devoted self searching, without the need for such a psychic catalyst.

Regardless of means, all of these individuals report startlingly similar experiences: It is this historical psychic consensus that we must investigate if we are to make sense of our current unconsciousness, first and foremost because it is the only frame of reference that cannot be tainted by our leaders despite their efforts because of its fundamentally archetypal, psychic nature, but most importantly, because of what it reveals about our future; in fact, many enlightened individuals saw these dark times coming. Many argue that the emergence of psychedelics in the modern Western world was a cue for a much needed reflection on our part. I tend to agree; though taboo, psychedelics can provide a truly consciousness-expanding experience that, if properly integrated, can lead to a drastic revolution of mind. The kind of which we so desperately need right now.

Enlightenment is a rare, often fleeting state of consciousness during which a truly Universal frame of reference is bestowed upon an individual. Men isolated by geography and thousands of years have been having this same experience throughout the history of our civilization and even further back into our prehistory. It is, without a shadow of a doubt, the archetype experience that ultimately laid the foundation for our oldest spiritual traditions which sought to definitively answer that which we do not know. This is due to the fact that the those whom are predisposed to experiencing such a state of consciousness often have a great sphere of influence upon their respective communities by default of the inherently sought after and universally relative knowledge that they possess and willingly distribute. And although relatively few have experienced enlightenment, the multitude are able to relate to these spiritually minded men because enlightenment has two microcosmic parallels which nearly every person whom has ever lived has experienced.

These experiences are, of course, that of déjà vu – the distinct feeling of knowing that you have done something before – and synchronicity – the experience of realizing a highly peculiar coincidence that could not be merely due to chance, but must owe its occurrence to a purpose beyond our ability to make sense of (it must be accepted that human beings have been having these experiences for tens of thousands of years at least, as we are no different today biologically than we were during the last glacial epoch which began 100,000 years ago. So it can be safely assumed that, unlike today where these experiences are marginalized as merely peculiar due to our lack of felt spirituality, these experiences once held a very sacred place to our ancestors, who, I would imagine, believed such experiences to be divine revelations).

"The sentiment du déjà vu is based, as I have found in a number of cases, on a foreknowledge in dreams, but we saw that this foreknowledge can also occur in the waking state. In such cases mere chance becomes highly improbable because the coincidence is known in advance. It thus loses its chance character not only psychologically and subjectively, but objectively too, since the accumulation of details that coincide immeasurably increases the improbability of chance as a determining factor. (For correct precognitions of death, Dariex and Flammarion have computed probabilities ranging from 1 in 4,000,000 to 1 in 8,000,000.) So in these cases it would be incongruous to speak of "chance" happenings. It is rather a question of meaningful coincidences. Usually they are explained by precognition – in other words, foreknowledge." Carl Jung, 'On Synchronicity'

"...when an external event touches on some unconscious knowledge, this knowledge can reach consciousness. The event is recognized as a déjà vu, and one remembers a pre-existent knowledge about it." Carl Jung, 'Answer to Job'

"...Meaningful coincidences are thinkable as pure chance. But the more they multiply and the greater and more exact the correspondence is, the more their probability sinks and their unthinkability increases, until they can no longer be regarded as pure chance, but for lack of a causal explanation, have to be thought of as meaningful arrangements . . . Their 'inexplicability' is not due to the fact that the cause is unknown, but to the fact that a cause is not even thinkable in intellectual terms." Carl Jung speaking of synchronicity

These peculiar experiences of predestination and highly unlikely coincidence last for mere seconds, but if experienced repeatedly, are enough to open ones consciousness to the possibility of a higher intelligence. Inversely, enlightenment is a consummative experience of predestination and beyond-chance coincidence that can last anywhere from a few minutes to a few hours and it often changes a person forever. The climax of the experience involves a full blown epiphany of the Oneness of the Universe: time ends, Eternity is effectively realized, and subsequently, death is experienced as a transition of being; not the end of our existence, eliminating any fear of dying. The person thus raptured experiences the death of his ego; his merely limited sense of self is totally dissolved, enabling him to comprehend for the first time the Ground of All Being; the Eternal Universe of which he understands that he is. All that was previously unconscious is revealed to consciousness: it is as if the entire mystery of life dissolves before ones eyes, leaving one to comprehensively feel and understand the predestined purpose and synchronistic order behind all things and events. The concept of God presents itself as a divine totality symbol of Oneness and paradoxically, reciprocity (Good/Evil etc). Life is seen to be an eternal search for love and understanding, despite all evil and unconsciousness that befalls us; it is all understood to be necessary for a purpose beyond our merely self-conscious awareness.The realization dawns upon consciousness that, "I am God." (This is precisely why Christ equated Himself with the Father, because He was acutely aware that He is the Father; He is God, of which we All are, which, by the way, was his principle teaching.)

"When you make the two one, and when you make the inner as the outer and the outer as the inner and the above as the below ... then shall you enter [the Kingdom].... I am the Light that is above them all, I am the All, the All came forth from Me and the All attained to Me. Cleave a [piece of] wood, I am there; lift up the stone and you will find Me there." Jesus

This experience presents itself as fundamentally absolute and psychically self-affirming; in fact, it is felt to be the most important experience of the subject’s life, often obliging them to lead a life devoted to the dissemination of their newfound knowledge. It is for this reason that, for millennia, we have depended upon these rare individuals who were granted this insight to help us understand that which we are incapable of understanding by ourselves. This is the very basis of religion: the inexperienced multitude follow by an act of faith a predisposed few whom are sanctioned as the arbiters of esoteric knowledge about our existence (God) by default of their divinely imparted wisdom. However, as previously mentioned, this dynamic puts us as adherents in a position of great vulnerability, hence the need for faith in regards to what we are made to believe about our existence by our divinely chosen representatives of the Truth.


There is much, much more at the site.

Take it easy guys.

You can't truly experience death without being dead. Once your dead you don't come back that's why its called being dead. Therefore your method wouldn't work. Its a fantasy. The only thing you can find out is what it feels like right before you die. But never what its like to be dead until you are dead.

Haven’t had a chance to read the entire original post yet, but I can’t resist commenting on burnt’s response:


We don’t agree too often, but this is one instance where I agree. Even if the visual and psychological aspects of an entheogen-induced experience are identical to an actual death experience (which we can't possibly know), the bodily state (and hence brain state) is not the same as that of someone who is recently deceased.

I tend to believe that some DMT experiences reveal an immaterial realm that might be called the “afterlife”, but who knows? All I can say for sure is that when each of us actually does die, we’ll probably be very surprised. (If surprise at that point is even possible.)

Instead of debating can I ask why?

That's your opinion and you're certainly entitled to it; however, I fundamentally disagree with your logic.

Death is a biological experience, cued by specific neurochemicals released during certain states of heightened physiological stress. Whether or not you bodily die; it doesn't matter. Just because you don't completely die doesn't mean that your ego-death was a pointless experience and completely off-mark; quite the opposite actually. But it doesn't really surprise me that you are only looking at this from your acute angle of ego and superiority.

These experiences change people's lives forever, and in my argument, they are the very basis of our spirituality; our commonly shared fate, which when experienced and reported back by others, such as shamans, can be revealed to those who have not had the experience themselves (this is a basis for religion). We will never have a final picture, until that is, we die. However, to say that model-building is utterly pointless is in and itself pointless. Our religions were built upon such extrapolations.

I take your absolute, bull-headed post as a mere reactionary emotional response due to the negativity that has existed between us before.

That is all fine and well, but do realize; you are being entirely anathema to any sort of true discourse.

The fact that you are being so absolute and defeatist only reveals your true intentions; you could care less about a discussion of ideas, you would rather claim victory in a few sentences. But don't worry, I've dealt with this before and it is no skin off of my back. So, please, do yourself and me a favor and actually explain yourself beyond an absolute, bull-headed response and perhaps we can get somewhere.

Something tells me that you didn't read all of what I have written, which again, doesn't surprise me in the least due to your past behavior.

I can see you haven't changed a bit.

To prove my point, from my site:

As a disclaimer, let it be noted that I am acutely aware that by making such statements, I am obliged to clarify my position absolutely so as to save any misunderstanding on the part of my readers. I understand to the fullest extent of my being that all truth is utterly subjective and that the existential beliefs discussed herein are just that; a subjective understanding that I have reached as a result of my idiosyncratic experiences. I am not claiming to know the Truth, nor am I attempting to convince anyone that this is the end-all, be-all understanding of human consciousness; in fact, I am painfully aware of my perpetual naiveté in relation to the ineffable process of the Universe, and I encourage people to first and foremost think for themselves. I know fundamentally that I will continue to evolve my existential awareness until the very day that I cross the final threshold of bodily death and this site is a reflection of that, as it is constantly evolving toward higher states of order.

SWIM has had self induced NDE and doesn't see how that in any way reveals what its like to really die? I am sure the moments before death might be similar in certain instances but total absolute death I don't see how.

When you experience ego death your awareness of your self goes away. But your awareness remains. You are pure awareness. I always imagined real death would be like ego death except you awareness is also gone and can't come back. Psychedelics its never really gone just your ego is.

When you lose consciousness your awareness is gone but your body is not. When you die both are gone beyond repair.

Thus no one can say what its like to be dead for good.

PS: Yes I remember our previous debates but I am not trying to rehash old arguments.

First and foremost, the SWIM thing is utterly ridiculous, in my humble opinion.

If you don't think that "The Man" has a file on what sites you frequent, what you've talked about, ordered etc, then you're absolutely dreaming. They just have WAY bigger fish to fry. We have way too many freedoms to be paranoid about that, unless that is, you're being a moron and selling it.

What are you hiding behind? Seems a wee-bit paranoid to me.

Terence Mckenna walked the Earth for 20 years advocating tripping and telling others about his experiences. Really, what is the big deal with that? I'm genuinely curious. Come out of the closet!

As for your response, your self-induced NDE's are entirely subjective and no offense, but your ability to interpret them lies entirely upon your frame of reference, i.e., if you don't have much consciousness to expand, then your NDE will probably be quite underwhelming, especially if you are biased toward such experiences to begin with. Chances are, you are merely marginalizing your experiences because you don't seem to think that they hold any weight psychically, which I find to be in and itself mind-blowing.

Your assumption that real death would be similar to ego death but with all awareness gone is just that; an assumption. Just like I admit my hypothesis is merely an idiosyncratic conclusion. I have had experiences where I have lost all true "awareness" and "I" existed as an eternally recurring feed-back loop. I certainly didn't have a body and I didn't know who I was or where I was. Everything associated with me, myself was absolutely gone. That was death. "I" did not exist. Was it bodily death? Of course not, but I did cue a biological experience, which is an automated response fueled by neuromechanics - no different from any other physiologically cued sensation.

Just because you don't bodily die doesn't mean you aren't experiencing death. As I said before, it is a biologically cued EXPERIENCE. The only difference between "real" death and just ego death is that you come back from ego death; you don't come back from "real" death, unless of course, it was merely cardiac arrest and you are revived. In that case it IS real death and people HAVE come back. Yes, that's correct. Clinically dead. No heart-beat or brain activity. Yet they came back hours later. If you would like proof, I have plenty of links. Please refute that.

You just seem to be stuck in your certainty and arrogance.

I openly admit that I am groping in the dark. The only reason why I feel comfortable putting my neck out there is because I have a found a vast consensus to back up my experiences.

Does that make me right? No. Does that mean I have found the truth? No.

All truth is subjective. All of life is a preparation for death.

I am just trying to be better prepared for when I do cross that final threshold.

"We should try to assimilate and integrate the psychedelic experience since it is a plane of experience that is directly accessible to each of us. The role that we play in relationship to it determines how we will present ourselves in that final, intimated transformation." "Shamanism and certain yogas, including Taoist yoga, claim very clearly that the purpose of life is to familiarize oneself with this after-death body so that the act of dying will not create confusion in the psyche. One will recognize what is happening. One will know what to do and one will make a clean break... the whole purpose of shamanism and of life correctly lived is to strengthen the soul and to strengthen the ego's relationship to the soul so that this passage can be cleanly made." - Terence Mckenna

For the record burnt, I don't not like you, I just don't understand why you are so bull-headed.

Let’s play nice! This is a good topic!

To properly discuss this topic, I think we need a clear definition of “death”.

If we define death as a process, then I tend to agree with E. There is speculation that large amounts of endogenous DMT are released during near-death experiences. It is reasonable to assume (if this speculation is true) that this also occurs during many actual death experiences. So the early phase of a true death experience may closely resemble a DMT-induced near-death experience, and as a result, our DMT experiences may indeed prepare us for what is to come.

If we define death as a state, then I tend to agree with b. If we consider death to have occurred when all brain activity ceases, then whatever one experiences after that point (if anything) is not due to DMT, because even if there is still DMT in the brain, it is no longer interacting with it.

I’m a believer! And here are my beliefs:

I believe that at least some of my DMT experiences reveal an immaterial realm that lies beyond this physical existence. But I’m also a scientifically-minded person, so I try to reconcile the physical with the immaterial. DMT obviously causes the brain to enter into a different physical state. By physical mechanisms as yet unknown, the brain becomes a “transceiver”, connecting us to this immaterial realm. What we experience while under the influence of DMT is then the brain’s interpretation of the “information” it receives from the “immaterial realm”. After death, our understanding of the immaterial realm will be very different, because we will no longer be using the brain interface to interpret the input. So if there are “experiences” that consciousness has after physical death, there is no reason to believe that they’re anything like our brain-dependent DMT experiences we have while alive.

Crazy?

Well, that is assuming that our brain is real and is not consciousness presenting it symbolically in a way understandable to us. It could be an illusion like the ground we walk on, but that is getting into philosophy. This is one thing that may never be concluded, but definitely the most interesting thing. NDE's and OBE's are another topic in itself, but maybe we can get enough insight into that. Im trying to find a program about it that has been on Nat Geo, TLC, Science, etc. about this kind of stuff, can't find it online, though. I believe there are one of two options. Exist infinitely, or cease to exist infinitely. I prefer the first, obviously. But my main concern is when we die, as people have suggested, will we be aware of it as we are with DMT? We will not have a brain to process information, memory, etc. and just "be" without knowing.

Thanks for the link friend, I'm going to step out of the way and enjoy the ideas hopefully exchanged

By The Way, surely with all your well-researched ideas, you've downloaded the Leary/Wilson 8 Circuit Model into your local bio-computer? There's more at http://deoxy.org/8circuit.htm

On my way to your site...

EDIT: and where's the one on the entities?

Agreed. *Grabs popcorn.

But does it necessairly have to be an "immaterial" realm? How do we define immaterial? Could it be a material realm that is energy vibrating at a different frequency which to our understanding/senses processes as immaterial?

Good to see you again Eschaton, tis been a while.

I use the term “immaterial realm” simply to distinguish that place from this place. That place definitely doesn’t operate according to the physical laws of this place. And it seems very alien – not alien as in some other planet in our universe, but alien as in someplace that lies entirely outside of our universe and outside of our understanding. Outside of time and space, at least as we understand those things.

And what the hell is this place? This evening I just had "contact" with what I've met before as "DMT Hyperspace" after some Peruvian Torch tea...and I've had similar "contacts" with "DMT Hyperspace" during yoga practices and so forth...I know many on here have too. It seems Very Alien! Could it be an area of our minds that we can sort of shift ourselves into as we die, for comfort? I have no clue how such an area of the mind could evolve or come about for biological survival purposes. Burnt?

Not crazy; very interesting, actually. I appreciate that you provided a definition.

However, I do not believe that we actually enter a different physical "state" per se; the brain undergoes a distinct neurological change, yes, but I do not believe that we are truly experiencing another "realm." My interpretation is that Eternity exists all as One moment and our reality is merely overlaid upon this Eternal Moment of interconnectedness. It is my belief* that when we die, our physical reality is entirely dissolved, leaving us to realize that we are the foundation of all Being; the Ground of the Universe; God. I believe that the "information" that we are receiving upon entering this state is actually contents of our personal and collective unconscious. DMT, and other psychedelics as well, seem to dissolve the boundaries between our conscious ego and our unconscious Self. Our unconscious Self is "aware" of its Divinity by default of its connection to the collective unconscious; our conscious ego is unaware of its Divinity - that is interconnectedness to the Universe - because it has more pressing issues to think about, such as eating, sleeping, procreating etc. When we take a psychedelic, our egoic lives are crucified and our liberated Self is able to give us a glimpse of Eternity for the first time. I truly believe that DMT allows our brains the ability to delineate Eternity while still trapped in the boundary conditions imposed by our biology - the foundation of our experience of time; that is, a flowing present moment. But there is no such thing as time, there is only Eternity. DMT awakens us to this Eternal creation/destruction event by dissolving our merely subjective consciousness. In my opinion, of course.

I must disagree with your last assessment, but I can also see where you are coming from as well. I am acutely aware of the utter subjectivity of such beliefs and I aim not to sound dogmatic.

I merely have had experiences that are different from everyone else. Not to mention, everyone's temperament is purely idiosyncratic and that is the ultimate arbiter of our experiences. Our respective catalogs of experiences and memories pave the way for our psychedelic experiences. So if you are inherently scientific and were an only child, you will most likely have a completely different experience on DMT than someone who is inherently "spiritual" and had many siblings etc.

We're all different; this is obvious. I'm just trying to share my own .02.

That's why I appreciate your post so much.

Thank you for your post.



*my bad

Okay. But maybe we need to find a different word. Some of the arguments presented in various places is that this immaterial realm cannot have existence because it is, well...immaterial.

What about a realm of thought? Is thought immaterial? No, because there is energy associated with thought, so there is a material basis for even this. Outside our understanding of course, but how can it be outside our universe? Logically that doesn't make sense since an object in this universe (your brain) is creating the energy which manifests/transports you into these realms.

It's all energy...yeah baby!

I’ve never liked the term “hyperspace”, so I generally avoid using it. Isn’t hyperspace where Luke Skywalker or Captain Kirk goes when his spaceship exceeds the speed of light? Wherever it is they go, it’s not where I go.

Regarding inside/outside our universe. I suppose if you have two large regions connected by a tiny thread, we can consider the whole to be one region. So in that sense, there can only be one universe (at least only one that we can ever be aware of).

“Immaterial” is an inadequate word. Let’s imagine for a moment that string theory is right and that the most basic building block of matter AND energy is a “string”. Now imagine another place where the most basic building block is something else. In that place, there may be something like matter and energy, but it isn’t matter and energy as we know it. So what would we call this “stuff”? Since that place is without matter (as we define matter) I call it “immaterial”. I can’t think of a better word. Ideas?

I’m not so sure that our ideas are very far apart. Is it possible that we’re describing the same thing? Different words, same idea?

Could what I call the “immaterial realm” be another way of describing what you call the “collective unconscious”?

Out of hundreds of DMT experiences, I had one several months ago that I would call a near-death experience. Some elements of that experience remind me of some of your ideas.

At some point in the experience, I had the impression that my “higher self” (unconscious Self?) was awakening, and that once fully awake, I wouldn’t be able to return to my body, my prior life. I had the impression that my life was a dream, and that to awaken from the dream meant no return. Since I wasn’t ready to leave the dream, I felt as if I willed my higher self back to sleep, as if this reality had to be re-created, dreamed again, in order for me to return.

Here ya go:

Bear in mind this is unfinished.

It is widely reported by people who have experienced DMT that entities are frequently encountered during their trips. Perhaps the most well known of such accounts comes from Terence Mckenna, who spoke of the "self-transforming machine elves" of Hyperspace. Arguably, Terence set the standard for having a discourse on these peculiar states and the entities that inhabit them, so I feel that is my responsibility to quote him directly before I even begin to touch upon any of my own personal speculations regarding them. Terence provided me with the tools to open my mind; I owe everything to his influences. For those of you who have "met Them," I promise this will be well worth the read.

"The most extraordinary thing about the DMT experience is that see entities. You encounter beings whom I've described as self-transforming machine elves. They are the denizens of this other dimension. They are trying to teach something." Food of the Gods

"The experience always reminds me of the twenty-fourth fragment of Heraclitus: "The Aeon is a child at play with colored balls." One not only becomes the Aeon at play with colored balls but meets entities as well. In the book by my brother and myself, The Invisible Landscape, I describe them as self-transforming machine elves, for that is how they appear. These entities are dynamically contorting topological modules that are somehow distinct from the surrounding background, which is itself undergoing continuous transformation. These entities remind me of the scene in the film version of The Wizard of Oz after the Munchkinds come with a death certificate for the Witch of the East. They all have very squeaky voices and they sing a little song about being "absolutely and completely dead." The tryptamine Munchkins come, these hyper-dimensional machine-elf entities, and they bathe one in love. It's not erotic but it is open-hearted. It certainly feels good. These beings are like fractal reflections of some previously hidden and suddenly autonomous part of ones own psyche.

And they are speaking, saying, "Don't be alarmed. Remember, and do what we are doing." The fractal elves seem to be reassuring, saying, "Don't worry, don't worry; do this, look at this." Meanwhile, one is completely "over there." One's ego is intact. One's fear reflexes are intact. One is not "fuzzed out" at all. Consequently, the natural reaction is amazement; profound astonishment that persists and persists. One breathes and it persists. The elves are saying, "Don't get a loop of wonder going that quenches your ability to understand. Try not to be so amazed. Try to focus and look at what we are doing." What they're doing is emitting sounds like music, like language. These sounds pass without any quantized moment of distinction - as Philo Judaeus said that the Logos would when it became perfect - from things heard into things beheld. One hears and beholds a language of alien meaning that is conveying alien information that cannot be Englished." The Archaic Revival

Come to think of it, I also cannot leave out Rick Strassman, whose groundbreaking DMT study also encountered "contact" with beings from another dimension. His life's work changed my life forever as well; without his lucid brilliance and startling objectivity, I never would have dared to explore the regions of mind that I have. From his book, DMT: The Spirit Molecule:

"When reviewing my bedside notes, I continually feel surprise in seeing how many of our volunteers "made contact" with "them," or other beings. At least half did so in one form or another. Research subjects used expressions like "entities," "beings," "aliens," "guides," and "helpers" to describe them. The "life-forms" looked like clowns, reptiles, mantises, bees, spiders, cacti, and stick figures. It is still startling to see my written records of comments like "There were these beings," "I was being led," "They were on me fast." It's as if my mind refuses to accept what's there in black and white.""

And so, without further ado:

When I first started experimenting with DMT, I gently waded into the waters; I did not jump, as I was well aware of its incalculable power thanks to the books that I had read. I was already acquainted with challenging states of mind as a result of my experimentation with psilocybin; however, nothing could have ever prepared me for the being contact that I established after only a few dips into the DMT dimension. You can read all you want about psychedelics and entity contact, but until you actually experience it, you truly have no frame of reference upon which to make any sense of such vague metaphors. Ego dissolution is one thing; Alien contact is another thing altogether. These are free-flowing "beings of energy" which are moving in conjunction with an ineffable display of color and multidimensionality. They appear "more real than real" and yet, they are impossible to describe.

I started with quite "standard" - as far DMT goes - visions; I saw beautifully symmetrical "chrysanthemums" of incredibly deep colors that vibrated and seemingly "danced." I saw the most incredibly bright, yet deep, greens, reds, yellows, and a contrast of the deepest blackness to the most ethereal of white. With eyes open, everything seemed to vibrate and upon closer inspection, objects seemed to give off energy, as if matter was slowly disintegrating and regenerating. I even saw an "alien" alphabet superimposed upon my vision, which can be best represented by some of Allyson Grey's artwork such as this:

http://cosm.typepad.com/...33011168a06d04970c-800wi

And I cannot leave out Alex's most perfect representation of his first smoked DMT experience:

http://www.alexgrey.com/...y/8-24/tranfiguframe.jpg

As I kept going "further" and "deeper" with each subsequent experience, I began to realize that, during my trips, I was essentially realizing and experiencing for the first time, that everything around me is Alive, i.e., it is all consciousness; it is "God's" all-encompassing, eternally regenerating Manifestation. This dissolution of boundaries and bright colors finally gave way to a movement of energy which can only be experienced to be properly understood. An incredible build up of "psychic" energy occurred within seconds, during which a "warm mass" of energy slowly rose up my spinal cord to where I felt a center in my head concentrate in "pressure." This all brought to mind the Indian view of chakras and the kundalini serpent; but that is for another post.

Unfortunately, the barriers of our language and especially our ways of understanding the world entirely inhibit any kind of explanation that I come up with, i.e., unless you've been there, you have zero frame of reference to understand where I am coming from. I am most aware of this, however, so for those of you who have witnessed what I am discussing; this is for you.

This is what I have come to learn from communicating with "Them" for over 3 years. What happened to me on my first contact experience was absolutely beyond description; it quite literally shook the foundation of my entire existence, as I became aware that what was occurring was truly impossible, unless I was genuinely crazy. Yet in knowing of all these other accounts of contact, I had a frame of reference which allowed me to not succumb to a purely personal, idiosyncratic view point which could have led to my psychic disintegration. DMT truly allows a window into the "schizophrenic" mind, to say the least; it provides an immediate apocalypse of grandeur beyond imagination. Schizophrenia is defined as a mental disorder, and yet, do you really know anyone without one? Truly, there are people who are most definitely not well psychically due to unfortunate circumstances that occurred during their lives, but even the average person carries weights around in their unconscious that effect their behavior. These psychic - for lack of a better word- weights form the complexes which are the basis of our own relative neurosis. What we are essentially experiencing during these psychedelic contact experiences, in my opinion, is the outpouring of our unconscious into consciousness (It took years of reading Jung for this to sink in). The outpouring is so incredible that we experience an acute psychotic outbreak, which is accompanied by internally manifested, yet seemingly autonomous, beings that communicate to us impossible correlative insights and show off mind bending feats of pure imagination.

To the unfortunate predisposed shizophrenic, these perturbed or "elevated" states of mind are often met with confusion, which often leads to a hostile denial of internal stresses, which are fed by this confusion in question. This psychosis, this perpetual behavior of cyclical outbreaks of repressed unconscious contents, is often detrimental to the personality of the individual and therefore, the individual loses a slow battle of personality disintegration, which then leads to his total dissociation from reality. Now, the ample-minded individual who partakes in a consciousness perturbing experience, such as taking a psychedelic compound, he will experience something not too far from the predisposed schizophrenic; however, the fundamental difference is that the experience is self-willed, and therefore depending upon what lies within that person's personal unconscious, they could experience a multitude of things, such as incredible contact with small entities that convey hidden knowledge; a momentous epiphany of Self-realization and integration; or they may experience macabre visions which accompany the release of negative psychic contents - this is the classic "bad-trip." These are truly consciousness expanding plants and depending upon the person, the entities in question will either assist you, or torment you; the interpretation is ultimately up to your Self- your entire catalog of being - memories, fears, and especially, state of mind. They are the guardians of God knowledge; literally, they are the beings who weigh our souls worth upon entry into the death state.

The entities themselves appear to exist as autonomous manifestations of some sort of primordial state of matter and consciousness. They represent a state of energy which is utterly exempt from the laws of physics as we know them, as such that they marvel us with their incredible feats of dimension manipulation. They continually extol sheer effortlessness in shocking us with insights which quite literally blow the lids off of our minds. Often this sort of overload of input results in our immediate shock and subsequent denial, which leads to our forgetting of the experience itself; quite literally, we reject the experience as impossible and possibly psychotic. Sometimes, the entities appear to be "waiting" for us; welcoming us back, so to speak, to this autonomous land of infinite potentiality and dimension-free imagination.

The Elves seem to weigh our consciousness almost immediately upon our entry into this state. Now whether or not they are our strictly personal manifestations is not actually knowable; however, the vast consensus, the similarity of accounts that span thousands of years; it is these psychic facts which we cannot ignore. These beings litter our worlds religions and mythologies; they are the "little" representatives of the collective unconscious; they are the fairies and elves of our worlds countless myths. These beings, as understood by Jung, were the Devil's fallen angels of the unconscious; Lucifer - the bringer of light - they are his workers; communicating to us the contents of our unconscious for the purpose of fulfilling the great alchemical opus that has spanned the entire duration of the Universe which exists within the human mind. They urge for the reconciliation of the opposites; the final consummation of Eternity; the realization of the Ouroboros. They help mankind achieve this by facilitating our evolution through the mechanized release of unconscious psychic contents.

The final achievement; the heiros gamos of the human mind and subsequently, the human race, lies upon these entities which either grant us, or deny us entry to the Godhead. They are "His/It's" protectors. They weigh our worthiness with their trickster-like macabre playfulness, which is meant to shake us from our rigid complacency. They are the Tykes of the Aeon; God's mischievous elves which are the living Logos. They exist within our unconscious, in my argument both on a personal and most of all, on a collectively shared level. Physicians or shamans who enter this state often get right to business with these entities, because they have gained the control of their manifestation. The entities appear to be a distraction to those of whom intentions are either suspect or utterly destitute of any true spiritual context. Those who enter this state without any true purpose will be met with entities who may seemingly torture you with their "negative" energy and shocking visions; or they may go easy on you and just seemingly "play around" with you. To those of the pure in heart and poor in spirit, however, they seem to welcome you with open arms and try to acquaint you as gently as possible. They grant you entry and take care of you while you are in this state. A feeling of great love and comfort is often felt by people whom are open to the entities and are harboring no pent up "darkness" (negative psychic contents) within their respective being. The entities are a manifestation of our shadow. Our shadow is essentially everything that deny or repress in consciousness. I will be adding an addendum on the Shadow in the very near future.

The following are a few unbelievable accounts of entity contact:

The Book of Enoch dates from the third through first centuries before Christ and its Messianic content was utilized extensively in both the Gospels and the Acts of the Apostles, notably in the titles of the Messiah: Christ [the Anointed One], the Righteous One, the Elect One, and the Son of Man. In two places the last of these titles is in the context of what are virtually verbatim quotes from the Book of Enoch. The book tells of a great chastisement that will come from the heavens to judge mankind during some remote generation which has yet to come.


LXX1. 5-8

"And he (angel Michael) translated my spirit into the heaven of the heavens,
And I saw there as it were a structure built of crystals,
And between those crystals tongues of living fire.
And my spirit saw the girdle which girt that house of fire,
And on its four sides were streams full of living fire,
And they girt that house.
And round about were Seraphim, Cherubim, and Ophannin:
And these are they who sleep not,
And guard the throne of his glory.
And I saw angels who could not be counted,
A thousand thousands and ten thousand times ten thousand,
Encircling that house,
And Michael, and Raphel, and Gabriel, and Phanuel,
And the holy angels who are above the heavens,
Go in and out of that house"

Italics mine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seraphim
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherubim
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophannin


The structure built of crystals definitely reminds me of DMT space, as does the description of living fire. However, what was really most startling to me was the reference to the Seraphin, Cherubin, and Ophannin as being those "who sleep not" and that they guard the throne of his glory.

Perhaps the entities really are psychic "guards" that are capable of directing our experience by manipulating negative psychic contents. It seems to me that they use their ability to do so in order to distract or more importantly, teach, those who are not ready or worthy to experience God's glory, aka mystical experience, divine love, gnosis etc. If you have any skeletons in your closet, they are immediately addressed by the entities in order to test your worthiness. It brings to mind the doctrine of sin and the intuition that every thing you do is in fact remembered by God when you finally do get around to seeing Him.

DMT definitely seems to be the greatest morality device imaginable; without complete comfort of oneself, the experience will most likely be hellish and full of fear. However, if you are comfortable with yourself, with your past and your present, it is possible to experience God and all that mystical experience implies, if the entities deem you worthy.


From Carl Jung's Red Book:

What serviceable forms rise from your body, you thieving
abyss! These appear as elemental spirits, dressed in wrinkled
garb, Cabiri, with delightful misshapen forms, young and yet old,
dwarfish, shriveled, unspectacular bearers of secret arts, possessors
of ridiculous wisdom, first formations of the unformed gold,
worms that crawl from the liberated egg of the Gods, incipient
ones, unborn, still invisible. What should your appearance be to
us? What new arts do you bear up from the inaccessible treasure
chamber, the sun yoke from the egg of the Gods. You still have
roots in the soil like plants and you are animal faces / of the
human body; you are foolishly sweet, uncanny, primordial, and
earthly. We cannot grasp your essence, you gnomes, you object souls.
You have your origin in the lowest. Do you want to become
giants, you Tom Thumbs? Do you belong to the followers of the
son of the earth Are you the earthly feet of the Godhead? What
do you want? Speak!"*

The Cabiri: "We come to greet you as the master of the
lower nature."
I: ''Are you speaking to me? Am I your master?"
The Cabiri: "You were not, but you are now."
I: "So you declare. And so be it. Yet what should I do with
your following?"
The Cabiri: "We carry what is not to be carried from below
to above. We are the juices that rise secretly, not by force, but
sucked out of inertia and affixed to what is growing. We know
the unknown ways and the inexplicable laws of living matter. We
carry up what slumbers in the earthly; what is dead and yet enters
into the living. We do this slowly and easily; what you do in vain
in your human way. We complete what is impossible for you."
I: "What should I leave to you? Which troubles can I transfer
to you? What should I not do, and what do you do better?"
The Cabiri: "You forget the lethargy of matter. You want to
pull up with your own force what can only rise slowly; ingesting
itself affixed to itself from within. Spare yourself the trouble, or
you will disturb our work."
1: "Should I trust you, you untrustworthy ones, you slaves and
slave souls? Get to work. Let it be so."
31I[HI 166] "It seems to me that I gave you a long time. Neither
did I descend to you nor did I disturb your work. I lived in the
light of day and did the work of the day. What did you do?"
The Cabiri: "We hauled things up, we built. We placed stone
upon stone. Now you stand on solid ground."
1: "I feel the ground more solid. I stretch upward."
The Cabiri: "We forged a flashing / sword for you, with which
you can cut the knot that entangles you."
1: "I take the sword firmly in my hand. I lift it for the blow."
The Cabiri: "We also place before you the devilish, skillfully
twined knot that locks and seals you. Strike, only sharpness will
cut through it."
1: "Let me see it, the great knot, all wound round! Truly a
masterpiece of inscrutable nature, a wily natural tangle of roots
grown through one another! Only Mother Nature, the blind
weaver, could work such a tangle! A great snarled ball and a
thousand small knots, all artfully tied, intertwined, truly; a human
brain! Am I seeing straight? What did you do? You set my brain
before me! Did you give me a sword so that its flashing sharpness
slices through my brain? What were you thinking of?"312
The Cabiri: "The womb of nature wove the brain, the womb
of the earth gave the iron. So the Mother gave you both:
entanglement and severing."
1: "Mysterious! Do you really want to make me the executioner
of my own brain?"
The Cabiri: "It befits you as the master of the lower nature.
Man is entangled in his brain and the sword is also given to him
to cut through the entanglement."
I: "What is the entanglement you speak of?"
The Cabiri: "The entanglement is your madness, the sword is
the overcoming of madness."313
I: "You offsprings of the devil, who told you that I am mad?
You earth spirits, you roots of clay and excrement, are you not
yourselves the root fibers of my brain? You polyp-snared rubbish,
channels for juice knotted together, parasites upon parasites, all
sucked up and deceived, secretly climbing up over one another
by night, you deserve the flashing sharpness of my sword. You
want to persuade me to cut through you? Are you contemplating
self-destruction? How come nature gives birth to creatures that
she herself wants to destroy?"
The Cabiri: "Do not hesitate. We need destruction since we
ourselves are the entanglement. He who wishes to conquer new
land / brings down the bridges behind him. Let us not exist
anymore. We are the thousand canals in which everything also
flows back again into its origin."
1: "Should I sever my own roots? Kill my own people, whose
king I am? Should I make my own tree wither? You really are
the sons of the devil."
The Cabiri: "Strike, we are servants who want to die for
their master."
I: "What will happen if I strike?"
The Cabiri: "Then you will no longer be your brain, but will
exist beyond your madness. Do you not see, your madness is
your brain, the terrible entanglement and intertwining in the
connection of the roots, in the nets of canals, the confusion of
fibers. Being engrossed in the brain makes you wild. Strike! He
who finds the way rises up over his brain. You are a Tom Thumb
in the brain, beyond the brain you gain the form of a giant. We
are surely sons of the devil, but did you not forge us out of the
hot and dark? So we have something of its nature and of yours.
The devil says that everything that exists is also worthy, since
it perishes. As sons of the devil we want destruction, but as your
creatures we want our own destruction. We want to rise up in
you through death. We are roots that suck up from all sides.
Now you have everything that you need, therefore chop us up,
tear us out."
1: "Will I miss you as servants? As a master I need slaves."
The Cabiri: "The master serves himself"
1: "You ambiguous sons of the devil, these words are
your undoing. May my sword strike you, this blow shall be
valid forever."
The Cabiri "Woe, woe! What we feared, what we desired, has
come to pass."

*
The Cabiri were the deities celebrated at the mysteries of Samothrace. They were held to be promoters of fertility and protectors of sailors. Friedrich Creuzer and Schelling held them to be the primal deities of Greek mythology, from which all others developed (Symbolik und Mytlwlogie der alten Volker [Leipzig: Leske, 1810-23]; The Deities of samothrace [1815], introduced and translated by R. F. Brown [Missoula, MT: Scholars Press, 1977]). Jung had copies of both of these works. They appear in Goethe's Faust, part 2, act 2. Jung discussed the Cabiri in Traniformations and Symbols of the Libido (1912, CW B §209-II). In 1940 Jung wrote: "The Cabiri are, in fact, the mysterious creative powers, the gnomes who work under the earth, i.e., below the threshold of consciousness, in order to supply us with lucky ideas. As imps and hobgoblins, however, they also lay all sorts of nasty tricks, keeping back names and dates that were 'on the tip of the tongue,' making us say the wrong thing, etc. They give an eye to everything that has not already been anticipated by consciousness and the functions at its disposal ... deeper insight will show that the primitive and archaic qualities of the inferior function conceal all sorts of significant relationships and symbolic meanings, and instead of laughing off the Cabiri as ridiculous Tom Thumbs he may begin to suspect that they are a treasure-house of hidden wisdom" (attempt at a psychological interpretation of the dogma of the trinity," CW II, §244). Jung commented on the Cabiri scene in Faust in Psychology and Alchemy (1944, CW 12, §203f). The dialogue with the Cabiri that takes place here is not found in Black Book 4, but is in the Handwritten Drift. It may have been written separately; if so it would have been written prior to the summer of 1915.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Thumb

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabiri

If the last bit on Carl Jung didn't blow your mind... well then I guess I'm all alone.

Please forgive any errors on my part, I kinda threw this together, versus laboring over it like I usually do.


The DMT entities.

They are projections of the unconscious.

Carl Jung actually communicated with them, just as Terence Mckenna did. The only difference being that Carl was naturally predisposed toward experiencing their presence and Terence had to trip to realize them.

They are psychic manifestations that facilitate our evolution through the disclosure of our unconscious contents.

Our unconscious, after all, is where our instinct exerts its influence, so if we can learn to understand our unconscious contents we can then direct our will toward integration of our psyche.

The entities beckon us to integrate what is in our unconscious into consciousness for the purpose of furthering the enfoldment of the Cosmic Drama; the reconciliation of opposites of which the unconscious and consciousness represent.

When we can unite our unconscious with consciousness, we experience Enlightenment; the freedom from duality. Love; pure understanding of the necessary reciprocity of the Universe and Man.

I believe that the entities are of a personal nature; however, they are also collectively shared in the unconscious, as we are all truly One single Self (in my opinion). The entities, no doubt, follow archetypes; especially the Trickster. They are trickster entities; I will have an entire section up on this topic in the near future.

I am not trying to merely reduce the experience to our psyche, as I am most aware that that cannot be the sole "answer." What I essentially believe is this: we all have predisposed temperaments and these boundary conditions lie in our personal unconscious. Now, when we dissolve our ego and experience the collective unconscious, the entities, as a collective archetype, follow the boundary conditions that our persona sets for us. So if we are more predisposed toward a certain type of contact experience, such as a UFO or an elf-like entity, we will have that experience due to our personal temperament.

The entities themselves seem to be an outpouring from both the collective and personal unconscious, so you are right; it cannot be solely just our psyche. But once you get down to it, we are really all just One Mind, so when you really think about it; it is "just" in our heads. Although it seems like such an alien experience, that only makes sense because the unconscious is alien to us by default of its being hidden within our Self. Repressed psychic contents are going to be experienced as "other-worldly," because we have zero frame of reference, personally or culturally, unless we transcend ourselves via esoteric knowledge, such as psychology and psychedelic plant use.

As you've defined it, it works. We are discussing that which seems to be a polar opposite of the realm we inhabit in consensus reality, so immaterial would be the right word. I think that collective unconscious would be an appropiate description as well...I believe you are both talking about the same thing using different words.

Personally, I have interpreted this realm to be one of energy, or light. The flowing tubes of scintillating light, pillars, fountains, beings apparently made of this same material. It doesn't have solidity as the matter of this realm, but it does have form. A realm of light or information, as they are both the same in my mind.

I'm on board with both of you, we have all had similar experiences, and apparently come to similar interpretations of what those experiences revealed. All subjective of course, but amazing how the commonalities surface.

All the information on Eschaton's website I have found on my own and read over the last couple years. Thanks for taking the time to put it all in one place, wish I had thought of it at the time as I have lost/forgotten so many sources for the knowledge I've gained.