Hi.

I came across a place selling what they are calling B. Caapi 20X extract (a trustworthy source). Can you just cap that stuff and eat it like crushed Syrian Rue? And when I ask, "can you do it", I mean, can you do it without getting sick or really nauseated. How much (by weight) of 20x caapi would it take for mao inhibition?

Ive been wondering the same of my 10x extract from Maya.

Hmm sounds like a stomache ache waiting to happen..save capping for pure harmalas..sounds like this stuff is for brewing.

Its a powder though, think the extracts we make for changa.

1 gram of the 20x extract contains 20 grams(of vine) worth of alks. For oral, you just need to disolve it as much as it will disolve, in warm water, and drink that. So one would probably need about 2.5 grams of this 20x extract for inhabition. Some people do require alot less vine for effects.

Mattrit, the same for the 10x, 1 gram of that has 10grams of vines alks.

Another thing where these extracts come in handy is Changa, you can crush the extract up as much as possible and just add to the changa, evap. Powerfull stuff

Yea, thats what I got it for, I just sprinkle some in with my changa and

Back when Celestial Source used to sell their 20X extract, I would cap 3 grams of it along with 125mg of DMT. Those were some of the best trips I ever had. I don't recall having nausea with the extract and if I did, it quickly passed with no purging. Where did you find this 20X extract? I have bought Maya's 50:1 extract but even at 1.25 grams it wasn't as powerful as CS's 20:1.

AHHH!! I just noticed it's out of stock.

Maya's 50:1 extract, wich i use regularly is very concentrated indeed. If you put some of it on your tongue, it will start feeling numb almost instantly. It causes less stomach problems than homemade brews though, because it contains less tannins and other nasty stuff. But everybody responds differently to it.

I don't think capsules are such a good idea.

You need to have as much of the stuff in your stomach at once, as possible instead of a sort of slow delayed release. Otherwise there will still be MAO activity within your stomach that breaks down the DMT.

hmm, I did not know that. So far I've been capping Syrain Rue, so you would say that capping it is a bad idea? I'll have to find some other way, because tasting harmine, or syrian rue is utterly impossible for me. I did it to myself. After eating a large dose of syrian rue uncapped and getting extremely sick, my body refuses to taste rue or harmine without instantly rejecting it. What's your dosage of 50x?

I tried rue and dmt fumarate in capsules yesterday. I would say compared to dissolving them in some juice, capping is much better in terms of taste and nausea, but it takes way longer to hit, like 1+ hour instead of maybe 30 mins, the peak wasnt as intense, but it lasts for longer. I would say the small loss in potency is compensated by the ease of ingestion. I had my harmalas as hcl salts, not as freebase, and they were divided in two caps (Because even when converting pure harmala freebase through manske, there's a lot of salt contamination appart from the extra hcl molecule attached to the harmalas, so it only fit in two caps)

I took one harmala caps before, and then after 10 mins the other half of the harmala and the dmt. The capsules didnt have just a small hole, they had the end of them snipped off to be really open

I dont think im going back to tasting the dissolved harmalas and dmt in juice again, unless I have no access to capsules for some reason.

[quote=gammagore]1 gram of the 20x extract contains 20 grams(of vine) worth of alks. quote]


Not quite right. x20 means 20 grams of vine went into making 1 gram of extract. If the extractor is sloppy you could end up with only 10% of alkaloids (from the 20g vine less than 1/2 normal yield) and the rest being plant material.... You really never know the stregnth of a whateverX material until it's actually tested. You can always make educated guesses, but that's all they are.