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#481 Posted : 7/11/2008 1:01:12 PM

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add more water (basidified).. the naphta could be trapped in the mhrb solution and all you need is to give it more ´space´ to move up (more water per mimosa)..

another tip is to tap the glass on the side a few times... this can help bringing the naphtha up
 

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#482 Posted : 7/11/2008 6:51:49 PM
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I pulled the little bit of naptha that did come up and evaporated a small portion of that. Smelled plasticy, which is good. Below is a picture of what it looks like now after trying all the things people here have suggested.
http://img152.imageshack...152/2672/dscf3547jj5.jpg
The bottom is a black layer, the middle is a brown layer, and on the very top there is about a 1 mm thick layer of naptha. There should be way more naptha than that
 
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#483 Posted : 7/11/2008 7:37:25 PM

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You should have little white snowglobes attatched to the bottom that you can scrape up, sometimes it's a jagged crystaline structure. Anyway swim always pulls it and goes straight to freezer. For a day or so, then takes it and immediatly drains excess naptha into a saparate jar to save for later. He uses a bowl so he then puts the bowl on its side and on top of the jar, and excess naptha will drain down the bowl, into the jar. Swim finds it to dramaticaly increase the time it takes to completely dry, swim also has a fan going the whole time, also speeding up the process. I dunno... Swim says he thinks it to be better this way.



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#484 Posted : 7/11/2008 7:41:12 PM

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But yeah Ambient, I'm sorry. I really don't know what else to tell you. As I was sayin, I'm inexperienced. Swims first extraction went fine so he's just letting you know how he did it exactly. But i looked at thos pics, and it IS pretty strange. Sorry man!



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#485 Posted : 7/11/2008 8:43:06 PM

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Okay, try this - siphon all of the black solution off of the bottom, combine the foam, and add an equal volume of warm basified water. Agitate gently and separate. You may have to do this a few times, but the shit that's holding the emulsion together should start migrating into the water.
 
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#486 Posted : 7/11/2008 9:38:05 PM
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so throw all the black stuff and basify the foam?
 
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#487 Posted : 7/11/2008 10:44:24 PM

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no bro keep the black layer has it may still have spice in it , just do what noman said separate the 2 and work on the brown layer, you can add more naphtha to the black layer and gently shake it to see if it causes more emulsions since you've taken all of that brown layer off i think it shouldn't cause many more troubles
 
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#488 Posted : 7/11/2008 11:11:48 PM

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The emulsions are--as I understand it--a less dense, bubbled up part of the aqueous solution which happens to be holding you naphtha within it, so the goal is to put the emulsions back in the aqueous solution. One trick that seems to work for me is to simply transfer the solution between containers. If I'm not mistaken the emulsions are a resultant of the reaction, so if you quicken the reaction through agitating the solution by the simple act of pouring it into another container, the aqueous solution will gobble up the old emulsions creating new weaker emulsions the will clear up much faster. In conclusion, I would recommend pouring it into a larger container (like a polypropylene jug), agitate it more, then pour it into your separatory funnel or what-have-you, it should clear up in no time; you could even stir the emulsions themselves to help break them down, and this I find to be best accomplished in a bottle neck.

Noman's method will probably work very well, but I hate working with more water volume than I have to. Just use this for future reference perhaps.
 
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#489 Posted : 7/12/2008 10:31:45 AM

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Ambient wrote:
so throw all the black stuff and basify the foam?


Don't throw anything away.
The water is basified not to basify the foam but to keep the DMT from migrating back into it.
Here is where I first ran across the procedure:
http://www.dmt-nexus.me/....aspx?g=posts&t=1446
 
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#490 Posted : 7/14/2008 1:02:29 AM
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Well I finally got some out of it. Very yellowy and gooey. Why do people say clean white crystals are better? I found it very easy to smoke and not harsh on the lungs at all. And it was amazing.
 
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Spice is a connoisseur psychoactive any way you swing it, but if you're looking to maintain an immaculate set of pipes (flesh and glass alike), crystallization is an art and a discipline all on it's own.

I'm glad it all worked out for you. Not sure why yours would be gooey though.
 
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#492 Posted : 7/14/2008 3:07:18 PM

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Hello, Swim messed up a massive extraction of about 5kg of acacia, at the end i only ended up with a few ml of plant oil, not a single crystal of spice. :'-(
he used Lex's tek and can't figure out where he went wrong...first i thought it would be the Acid wash for the defat...taking the wrong layer, but thats impossible, because one ends up yellow and the other clear - with the spice in it...could it be because SWIM cooked it for too long or let it soak in acid for too long...? thats all i can think of...
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#493 Posted : 7/14/2008 4:21:05 PM

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D_Juggz wrote:
Hello, Swim messed up a massive extraction of about 5kg of acacia, at the end i only ended up with a few ml of plant oil, not a single crystal of spice. :'-(
he used Lex's tek and can't figure out where he went wrong...first i thought it would be the Acid wash for the defat...taking the wrong layer, but thats impossible, because one ends up yellow and the other clear - with the spice in it...could it be because SWIM cooked it for too long or let it soak in acid for too long...? thats all i can think of...


what do you mean by plant oil? how does it smell? maybe try to recrystalize it?
 
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#494 Posted : 7/14/2008 7:31:07 PM
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Can anyone give me any tips for my friend's next extraction? He used STB last time and followed the directions but no separation and the emulsion would only slightly go away after messing around with it for many days and got very low yields. He wants to use this tek again because it was so easy, but he doesn't want the same thing to happen.
 
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#495 Posted : 7/14/2008 8:28:47 PM

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Ambient wrote:
Can anyone give me any tips for my friend's next extraction? He used STB last time and followed the directions but no separation and the emulsion would only slightly go away after messing around with it for many days and got very low yields. He wants to use this tek again because it was so easy, but he doesn't want the same thing to happen.


what stb tek? how much water per NaOH per rootbark?

to break emulsions, there are a few tricks which may work or not depending on your case:

-running hot water on sides of the container (warm bath)

-make the solution more diluted (more water+NaOH per gram of rootbark)

-basify to higher pH

-add normal salt (non-iodized !)

-tap/hit softly the sides of the container
 
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#496 Posted : 7/14/2008 10:17:36 PM
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My friend tried all of those but nothing seemed to work. I used this tek:

http://forums.mycotopia....-using-quart-jars-2.html



 
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#497 Posted : 7/15/2008 3:09:09 AM

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endlessness wrote:
D_Juggz wrote:
Hello, Swim messed up a massive extraction of about 5kg of acacia, at the end swim only ended up with a few ml of plant oil, not a single crystal of spice. :'-(
he used Lex's tek and can't figure out where he went wrong...first swim thought it would be the Acid wash for the defat...taking the wrong layer, but thats impossible, because one ends up yellow and the other clear - with the spice in it...could it be because SWIM cooked it for too long or let it soak in acid for too long...? thats all i can think of...


what do you mean by plant oil? how does it smell? maybe try to recrystalize it?


I mean, Swim had it at -21°C for 3 days and no crystals formed in the naptha. when swim evaped it off it smelt like spice, but it felt and looked and tasted like oil.

Last time Swim tried bark from the same tree and ended up with crystals, but a little bit of the oil too...SWIM must have messed up the extraction somehow...just can't figure out where...
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#498 Posted : 7/15/2008 9:20:10 AM

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Ambient wrote:
My friend tried all of those but nothing seemed to work. I used this tek:

http://forums.mycotopia....-using-quart-jars-2.html





That first one?
Shit, no wonder!
That uses a quarter of the amount of water that I told you to double!
Go here and do this:
http://www.erowid.org/pl.../mimosa_chemistry1.shtml
if you still want to use an STB.
If you're using prepowdered bark, increase the water from 15ml per gram of bark to 25ml.
Or do an A/B - Marsofold's is as good a place as any to start.
Start with published procedures before you mess around with "hey guys, how about this?" procedures.
 
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#499 Posted : 7/15/2008 5:10:15 PM
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Sounds good. I will definitely use that one next time
 
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My friend trys noman's tek. He poured the naptha into the mixing jar and tried to "roll it around" ..but the naptha always stays seperated. Does he need to "roll more" ?
 
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