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well my friend emailed me the results of his experiments. there were three people involved ("A" "B" & "C" but 4 doses were prepared. persons A and B split the last bowl.

0: 1 bowl jellow is consumed. effects of belladonna were the strongest but the cactus had a nice buzz to it. 1 energy drink containing yohimbe was consumed.

3: mild visual distortion and audio quirks but nothing too impressive. 4 grams rue were consumed by each person. 20 minutes later 100mgs DMT fum for each person and persons A and B split the remaing jello bowl.

4: EPIC PURGE

4.5: 2 more grams rue were dosed and 200 mg DMT freebase (50/50 jungle/yellow) also.

5: 100 mg jungle Spice consumed with a cup of coffee.

6: effects of a sub-breakthrough dose achieved but with a duration of 3.5 hours. visually breathtaking in its simplicity.

10: essentially recovered yet still in the proper head-space for further experimentation...

11: person B takes one hit of quad re-xd Spice and is good. person A smokes 200mgs with 100 mgs russian olive changa. automatically, amidst convulsions and spazz-sessions, person A loads another 200 mg and begins to smoke. half gram smoked in 20 minutes.

12: person A is beginning to regain sanity. deepest this particular psychonaut has gone and he thought he had gone pretty damn deep before! person B is watching the delusional ramblings and rigid movements person A is making but ensures he is safe at all times.

14: they all were asleep by now.

CONSENSUS: this was an amazingly deep journey and took all three persons to exactly where they wanted to be. person A is convinced their heart stopped for about 3 seconds. reportedly is an extremely bizarre sensation, or absence thereof. in their next round of tests they will dose much higher on oral DMT and see if the same effects cant be achieved with higher doses. 500 mgs + 4 grams rue is expected dose.

rue with cactus can be done. and its slightly helpful. but not as much as an energy drink. a total of 500 mgs fumurate salts were consumed, as well as +/- 600 mgs Mescaline , 2 grams belladonna, and 450 mgs smoked by person A, the one who dosed the highest.

that sounds like way way too much spice...ive had absolutely INSANE visions on 40mg of spice and tripped for 15 hours...with only 100mg harmine and 30mg harmaline..

my friend wishes that was the case but even 100mgs results in a threshold experience lasting 8 hours. reportedly it was his 2nd strongest trip to date but the most amazingly visual/transporting/transforming/educational peak. he said it was unbelievable.

well while 100mg MAY be threshold effects..i really think it comes down to HOW you administer the dose...when i first started messing around i would take 80mg dmt with 200mg harmalas and have threshold effects..but as my TECHNIQUE improved...i HAD to drop the dosage down...right now if i do it CORRECTLY i only need 30mg of spice for a powerful experience..

this is how I do it..but you really got to figure it out yourself...on an empty stomach(havent eaten ALL day)..i take 30mg(40mg if i "want" to trip TOO hard) dmt fumarate and 100mg harmine and 30mg harmaline....mix them all together evenly and put them in a capsule, then poke one hole in the end of the capsule... i take this with a glass of water...THEN i eat a piece of bread(or bagel) with BUTTER(carbs and fats) on it...then between 30-60 minutes the effects start and build strongly for the next 30-60 minutes...

the THINKING behind this is...

1. as the capsules starts to break down from the hole side first..the stomach juices mix with the dmt and the harmalas..the harmalas are there to protect the dmt from the MAO's...think of them as body guards for the dmt..they surround the dmt from all sides..

2. since you havent eaten all day...and with a pill full of alkaloids in you stomach...USUALLY when the alkaloids hit you stomach you would experience some nausea..defense mechanism of you body to protect from poisoning.....BUT since you ate some bread or a bagel...that sits ON TOP of the capsule..with some butter on top...your stomach is like "OH YEAH IM HUNGRY, LETS EAT"....this truly gets the juices going..you body reacts and gives some energy to digesting that much needed food..

3. as you stomach starts to absorb that food..the capsule gets opened and mixes with the juices and the bread..the harmalas deflect the MAO's while the dmt sneaks by with the food..entering your blood stream..and WAM it TAKES OFF

i mean to eat 500mg of dmt...holy crap you arent doing something right...if EVERYONE can have a breakthrough at about 50mg...why on earth would anyone need to take more...all you need to figure out is your digestive tract..and how to get the dmt into the blood stream as quickly as possible...another thing you need to figure out is your COMBO of harmalas..whether you body works better with harmine, harmaline, or THH best...and which combo seems to get the job done the BEST..

the reason i like harmaline is that its twice as potent an MAOI(or RIMA as it actually is) as harmine or THH...and thats one of the main reasons i use it...the harmaline takes out the stomach MAO's really well..then the harmine backs it up really nice and along with the harmaline gets into the blood stream...which then will lengthen the experience...

i think the KEY to all of this is getting the dmt and harmala alkaloids out of you stomach(and into the blood stream) as quickly as possible...but ALSO together...the harmalas are there to protect the dmt in a FLUID...so by taking the harmalas before the dmt...in a way you are leaving the BACKS of your little dmt molecules vulnerable...

but if you take them together the harmalas will be right there next to the dmt the whole time..fighting off that evil MAO army..

and here is the last key...

if at first you dont get much from this exact dosage in this exact way...take it again the next day...and if its still not up to par..take it the next day after that...

after awhile the harmala alkaloids will saturate your body..and once that happens any small amount of dmt and harmalas will have incredible power..the castle has been breached and secured..it is now PERFECTLY safe for the dmt to enter unharmed..

that is my technique as well typed out as i can do it...it works..granted some peoples digestive system is more powerful than mine..but WORK with you body instead of bombarding it with tons and tons of dmt...if the harmalas cant protect the dmt...its not even getting to your brain and its being wasted...500mg of dmt sounds like a dozen or so trips to me...this stuff may be everywhere but why waste something so incredible?


just my two cents..play around and figure out how to make this work for you!

thanks for the advice! but in my experience, it takes larger amounts of any psychedelic to produce similar effects as most people. even vaporized dmt starts to get interesting at about 60 mgs. i observed diet restrictions and did only eat some toast actually, up on recommendation of a member here. 500 mgs wasnt consumed at once but over a period of 3 doses. this took a total of 14 hours of mind-bending insanity. its not considered a waste if it was extracted for THIS particular weekend. weekend of dmt lol.

why ?

mescaline.

*slap*

whoops, didn't see that part

ma bad.

I would chalk this up to the method of your vaporization. I'm not saying you're lying that it takes 60mg to get interesting, but I bet that same 60mg would be a completely different experience with better vaporizing technique.

Look at your dose/weight ratio, it just doesn't make sense. If you weigh 80kg, thats a dose rate of 1.3mg/kg...even if you weigh 100kg, that's still .6mg/kg. For Strassman's dose/tolerance study, he administered .4mg/kg every 30 minutes and said (along with the participants) that the dose was higher than necessary and if doing the project again he would have lowered the dose. I find it hard to believe that you are taking in all 60mg and just starting to get interesting effects. Have you tried smoking out of a vapor genie? Or using changa? Or maybe you'd be the perfect candidate for building OpeningPandora'sBox's Key V2 device...

yes most of the dmt is already in changa and the crystals were vaped also. some people are just more tolerant of particular psychedelics. also, the point was to go higher than necessary to see how deep this stuff could go. obviously, the answer is pretty damn deep. 95kg is my weight, also. below is the trip report my friend wrote on that smoked dose:



http://forums.mycotopia....jellomescaya-report.html

I'm going to go out on a limb and agree with the peanut gallery here that you are either:

a) seriously lacking in technical knowhow, or
b) just plain full of shit.

Either way, your my dick is bigger than yours post and attitude are pretty unimpressive.

Don't try this one at home, kids. We don't award points for bravado.

wow are you serious? the oral dosage for dmt is considered much higher and thats common knowledge. this isnt a post about how big my dick is ha. this is a post about an experiment that was performed and several members here asked for the results. sorry it scares you and turns you off.

The only thing that scares me is someone else reading your report and thinking that it's not only physically possible to smoke 200mgs of spice in one go (which it ain't), or a half gram in 20 minutes (which it ain't), but that something like this is necessary "to make it interesting" (which it ain't), or that 6 grams of rue and 600mgs of oral DMT is necessary for "a sub-breakthrough experience" (which it ain't).

I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you just don't know what you're doing - that your ineffective methods of administration are causing you to flush the bulk of your spice down the crapper. Of course, the alternative is that you're lying. Whatever the case... yes, it's a turnoff.

well maybe YOU cant smoke 200 mgs but i can. 600 was a sub-breathrough dose over the course of 4 hours (just peaking) i remained present in my house although there were intense visuals and crazy mindfuck. 500 mgs is a decent sized bowl and yes it can be smoked over the course of 20 minutes. im not the only person thats dosed this high and frequently aya doses contain even more dmt!! ignorance is annoying. this was over the course of 14 hours not just all at once. but you probably didnt read that...

you nexus people sure are confrontational. its actually pathetic.

you would think a mod would care to keep some sort of standard but i guess its true, this really is just shroomery for spice heads.



no worries. higher doses have been documented and even cases of immunity to the effects of DMT. do some homework.

Your dick is enormous. Color me impressed.

Or.... not.

Im so SURPRISED you did this!

not.

read the rules, and the advice of others, you bad little monkey. And dont over hype your stories, you dont have to be macho to earn our respect.

"im not the only person thats dosed this high and frequently"

Sounds to me like you are proving that it IS INDEED your technique if you have passed it on to others who are "frequently" smoking doses that high with similar results. If you were a hard-head it would be one thing, but saying that several others you know who dosed at the same time are experiencing similar effects seems statistically suspect. I have to side with Art - your technique is either lacking or you're rippin a yarn.

Incidentally, this is not like some of those other forums you listed BECAUSE we don't tolerate pissing contests, which seem to be the standard thread elsewhere.

And if it is true, and you've done your homework, you would know how truly astounding AND anomalous your experience was, and wouldn't be so casual and cavalier in your relating of it. Or at least you would understand the responses you are getting.

I really hope its your technique. If it is though, be careful, cause you're in for a helluva whopper when you improve it!

JBArk

love eachother.

It's not really worth getting your tits all tied up about is it?

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm......


I know!!! wouldn't it be awesome??? Then we could keep out the annoying claims of smoking 200mg in a hit and 500mg in 20 minutes!

It actually is, I think - because this kind of bullshit is potentially very, very dangerous. For those who don't know that its utter nonsense and adhere to this guy's dosing guidelines, they're going to get the shock of a lifetime - absolute best case scenario.

As I see it, we all of us have a shared responsibility to call this kind of stuff out. A little education can go a long way towards keeping people out of the ER.