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#41 Posted : 5/19/2010 10:13:55 PM
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Thanks for he info, Rom, if anyone else has some experiences or knowledge please do pipe in Smile
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#42 Posted : 5/19/2010 11:11:45 PM

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rOm wrote:
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I wonder if anybody tried making changa with SC.

I read somewhere someone's recipe...


That was just an idea, no reports of actual bioassay.
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http://www.shaman-austra...showtopic=18639&st=0
Had he more quickly realized just who they were,he would have shown them more respect.Had he tried harder to fathom their brilliant minds,he would have taken more of their teachings to heart.Had he more clearly understood the purpose of their being,
he would have more vigorously tried to assist them.They were truly honorable; he was sadly prejudiced.
They were exceedingly well informed; he was grossly ignorant.They were totally indefatigable; he so often, and so quickly,gave up. Still, for many years there was a strong inter-species alliance between the Eleven-Eleven of the Half-way Realm, their Seraphic Associates,and their flesh-and-blood friend, a common mortal. Much was accomplished, many profited, and, there’s only one regret...They could have achieved so much more...

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#44 Posted : 5/20/2010 10:31:19 AM
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Here are my notes from my websearch (Observant, yes I found that thread yesterday, it's a good one.)
http://basementshaman.com/xhdrhesicaez.html wrote:
Diviners prepare the ubulawu root by powdering it, and adding about 1 heaping tablespoon of it to about 1.5 liters of water and then briskly churning the mixture with a forked mixing-stick to produce a head of foam (the mixture will be reused over the next several days). Mouthfuls of the foam are swallowed until the diviner feels bloated or burps up some of the foam.

Initiates will usually participate in ubulawu drinking sessions over the course of three consecutive days at the full moon. The foam is consumed in the morning on an empty stomach, and then initiates dance for hours. More foam is had, and then after sharing a meal initiates leave for home. On the following day they share their dream experiences among the group.
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pulverizing the root ahead of time deteriorates the potency of this great plant

http://www.silenecapensis.com/about.htm wrote:
Undela Ziimhlophe is prepared by drying the root and grinding it to a fine powder. This is then mixed with water as required and agitated to produce a froth. Only the froth is consumed.
Neoshaman have developed an acceptable substitute method by adding 1g of the the powder to a 750ml or larger bottle filled quarter full with water. This is then shaken vigorously for few minutes and the froth is removed by squeezing the bottle. The remainder is put into the fridge for the next day, when the bottle is once again shaken and the froth removed for consumption.

After a few days the material will no longer froth and a further 1g is added to the same bottle or a fresh bottle is started. Effects have been achieved by consuming the equivalent of 200mg of powder per day for several days.

Significant dream states are supposed to occur after the third consecutive day of ingestion and can be maintained for a few more days by continuing consumption.

The main side effect of Undela Ziimhlophe is nausea or rather emesis. The herbal material has been suggested to have a very strong emetic action if taken as a powder, but rarely as froth. Several internet sites recommend the consumption of 200mg on an empty stomach and to not eat for at least an hour or until appetite returns. Several experimenters have noted no nausea from this method.

Traditional use of Silene capensis appears to be less cautious with the dosage. The froth produced from anything between half a teaspoon to a heaped tablespoon can be consumed at once just before bedtime for immediate effects.

The sleep following the ingestion should be full of prophetic dreams and should provide answers to the questions one seeks.

This description also occurs here http://shaman-australis....ndex.php?cPath=21_35_276
http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=18639 wrote:
ok after doing a search here on this great plant i thought i might supply some interesting information shared by a friend in south africa who has done alot of work with the xhosa in the past.

For the best effects, well developed roots are essential. I would avoid the powdered crap I notice is being sold on the Internet at ridiculous prices. As soon as one crushes some plant material, it's chemistry will start to oxidize. And if powdered material has been laying round somewhere, even sealed in a bottle, it is something less than it was before it was crushed.

Healers always keep material in root form for good reason. Our current research shows that stored plant material degrades rapidly over time. Dose 250-500mg of the powdered root. It should be properly dried (sun dried is

best). Secondly, the finely ground material must be mixed in at least 500ml to 1 liter water and beaten up with a forked stick. A hand held or electric mixer is useless because all the ground particles adhere to the mixer.

Pharmacological research on the root at the moment indicates that there is more chemical load in the water fraction than in the dry or oil fraction - novel acids and probably diterpenoids are present. Although the dreams are particularly vivid, this is not exactly an hallucinogenic experience. Regard it more as a clicking back to normal night time dream mode. One is supposed to fill one's empty gut with as much of the white foam, which is produced by vigorous mixing, as possible. A Xhosa initiate is never finished drinking from the can until he/she belches. This is repeated three times a day for three days at full moon. No psychedelic effects ensue. One might perhaps notice a sudden sharpening of one's intuition, though. Just at night when one sleeps, one is going to dream like Rip van Winkel (ever heard of that dude?).

Use the medicine for about three months, as described, and you'll never need to use it again. On the psychological level, the dreams are very resolving of current problems and issues.

A little bundle of really good roots costs about R5-R10 here (remember a dollar is about R7-RCool. Naturally, healers use additives, namely other similar but possibly less potent roots, to improve taste and effect. An important one often mentioned is impendulo ('the question'Pleased (Dianthus spp.), which has a deep red root bark and a very beautiful red, sweet pea-like flower. The additives also increase dreaming. Indaw'luthi ('place of this tree'Pleased is a type of Acorus calamus and unkomentaba ('cattle of the mountain'Pleased a frank, somewhat harsh tasting but otherwise effective, ubulawu ('frothing root'Pleased [many nouns in Xhosa are coined from verbs - hence, ubulawu is derived from the verb ukulawula, to control - obviously the idea is to be in control of one's dream life. A healer might make a cold water infusion of a mixture of the roots including Alepedia, which is tonic and also increases 'short limb tension' . Put it all in a clean liter Coke bottle and shake it up something chronic and take a tablespoon three times a day. We know the roots contain saponins, but analytical work currently underway in Zurich suggests a novel and complex chemistry.
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The little side tendrils on the root, which have very resinous bark, are very good for smoking when cut up fine - stimulant and a bit colourful. My teacher always made a fat cigar whenever we went off on a journey, like to pick it on the mountaintop.
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The common garden carnation is a member of the Dianthus family..., one is talking about 250-500mg - naturally the material is not consumed all at once but over a couple of days (taken on an empty stomach - eat later)... I rarely mix it in water myself - I just chew on the root (without swallowing said material) and afterwards, I spit the cud out
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As long as one consumes the material on an empty stomach - remember, it is essentially an emitic that is used to induce vomiting - it's fine and one can always eat later. I used it a lot during my own initiation and experienced no noticeable side-effects (and I have a pretty sensitive gut). Also, I wouldn't use it in conjunction with other medications or drugs.

The thread suggests that this info came form here http://tribes.tribe.net/...9-4b5c-8172-64bb14c9c659
http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=18639 wrote:
If you eat her for 1 week' she shall hold you for a month' unless you kill the re-wiring'(in the end you can in no way change of what she does to you)
This lady works by resseting brain wave patterning'
As I said if you eat her for 3 months' her job is done'
Like many of the African plants and their misteries'
You take them' they cause permanent change'
If you only take a little Silene' the effect is pemanent'

These claims of permanancy are concerning to me, especially as it's not giving me restful sleep at the moment- I have big bags under my eyes and I'm tired (day 2).
http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=18639 wrote:
It will take me a year to decode this stuff.
Not bad. Prolonged exposure would wreak hell on a typical... somehow, it's like the effects of brug but mirrord in a lake of calm and distance... remarkable.
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say 250mg a day


http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=18639 wrote:
now I am easily recalling my dreams and can remember up to 3 dreams a night, but mostly 1 or 2.

I do not know if it's the effects of the silene or my increased ability to recall but the characters are much more vivid and creative...

No particular style of dream. Some are deeply personal, others are like the one mentioned are just wild, and then other random things like being covered in spiders and being chased by a pack of dogs. No increased lucidity whatsoever.

No noticeable effects during the day. Sleep patterns are the same and I feel normal upon waking

One member on there, Hutch, started having problems after a couple of weeks:
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Now up to 14 days straight. Dreams are now like an instruction manual. I am remembering much more than ever but still not all... Sleep is broken though and from 1 am on I would wake up every 30 or so minutes hoping it was at least 4am so I can get up. For the last 4 days or so I have reduced my intake :bong: drastically as for some reason it make's my nervous system ache if you know what I mean. Like a pulse beating down from my head then down my spine and radiating out my limbs. It's not a pleasant experience and is only present after :bong:. My sense of smell is still good. I feel much clearer than I have for awhile with a renewed focus and energy. So far I am very pleased with this form of reprogramming
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For the first time yesterday I forgot to take some Silene before breakfast, so I put it off until just before lunch. I was feeling pretty good when I took my dose but in 2 minutes I was feeling like shit :o .
I could feel every pump of my heart start at my brain stem and radiate down my spine and out my arms and legs.
For a bit there I thought I could of been having a stroke. I had to have a bit of a lie down.
For the rest of the day I felt a cloud of depression and anxiety hanging over me. My internal pulse thing, though not as bad was with me for the rest of the day.
I have awoke this morning feeling great again :huh:
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#45 Posted : 5/20/2010 10:44:00 AM
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To summarise this info so people don't have to read it all:
-you can smoke it
-you need to take it on an empty stomach
-meat reduces effects
-first person anecdotes found saying it cured a lost sense of smell and a phantom limb (?)
-it does not improve dream lucidity (which is what I'm interested in) Crying or very sad but does improve vividness and recall
-one person had trouble after a couple of weeks, and I wonder if this is from their non-traditional use, or the herb in general
-effects are believed permanent, at least after 3 months use (potential eek!)

how's the restfulness of your sleep at your dosage? I'm on 0.3g a morning and I'm not getting good sleep, I would reduce dosage as you suggest but I want to do it the traditional way with the froth (to be safe just in case the plant matter has something in it that the xhosa have learnt to avoid), the instructions for which say 1g shaken in water and kept in fridge for use over next few days until no longer making froth when shaken.
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#46 Posted : 5/20/2010 12:26:33 PM

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Oyah, my sleep is really nice, sometimes I wake in the night and can easily sleep again.
Recently I have a lot of music in my dreams that I remember as well upon awakening.
My dreams are getting so nice.
I used to have nightmare, but because of the recollection, I could work on it and apparently try to fix it.
It does make dream more vivid, so if you have nightmare, you will have vivid nightmare that you recall.
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#47 Posted : 5/20/2010 2:11:07 PM

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I have some Silene Capensis on hand to experiment with, so I ate some foam this morning. I will post my documented effects after a few days of munching on foam.


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#48 Posted : 5/20/2010 3:34:57 PM
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Thanks Rom. I just don't want the permanent change to be permanent tiredness! I'm also abnormally thirsty.

Aegle, how did you manage to foam it? I tried but couldn't make any no matter how hard I shook, so I just teastrained and drank 1/5th of the liquid and put the rest in the fridge for another day. Maybe it's because my root was only partly powdered- my grinder can't seem to powder it properly, little bits fly in the air away from the blades.

Does anyone have any ideas why they do this foaming thing? Are the desirables soapy, so the way to get mainly desirables is to eat foam but not drink water or eat root? Surely the foam gets at least some powder in it anyway? Or is drinking foam a sort of lazy-man's-filtering- what is the foam, just the liquid mixed with air, or more like a scum of material?

I'd also be interested if there's ever been any studies on the long term health of people who eat a lot of this stuff, but that's probably wishful thinking! Smile
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#49 Posted : 5/20/2010 6:23:20 PM

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I put the Silene Capensis in half a cup of water, than placed a wooden spoon between flattened hands and began to whisked the spoon back and forth until a nice amount of foam had formed. I took a couple of tablespoons of foam each time on an empty tummy. This was done three times until i felt completely full, it has a lovely refreshing taste indeed. I will post and document any and all affects that i experience as well as long term affects over time. Phlux mentioned he will post a preparation pictorial for you, so that no one has any problems when preparing Silene Capensis in the future...


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#50 Posted : 5/20/2010 6:27:59 PM
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Awesome, thanks! Yes the stuff I have in the fridge is foaming now, I can make an inch if I shake it hard now. So it'll be foam for breakfast tomorrow Smile
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#51 Posted : 5/20/2010 7:17:38 PM

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Awesome! We will both be having Silene Capensis for breakfast in the morning, good luck and enjoy my friend. Razz


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#52 Posted : 5/21/2010 10:59:12 AM
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Yes that's exactly what I was thinking, how it's a bit like trying to go to sleep overcaffeinated, except not as hard to do so, less anxious and more serene.

My batch is foaming really well now. I think if it's not ground up well it just needs to sit for a while. Now when I shake my plastic bottle (1/3 filled with water and 1g powdered/shredded SC root) it fills to the top with foam. I then squeeze it to drink the foam, and try to watch for when the water starts so I don't drink that. Not sure if I'm meant to be drinking the stuff in between the foamy foam and the water (which is kind of like the dense foam-liquid of a just-poured pint of Guinness before it settles) but I'm doing so.

Day 4 of Silene:
I drank foam last night because I've decided to follow the traditional administration. Was tired when went to bed but couldn't sleep for a while because felt mentally awake, though mind wasn't racing, probably took an hour to sleep using meditation techniques to halt thought. Could feel pulse in side of head, felt like blood was pumping a bit harder, chest feel very slightly tighter. Sex drive has been up during the experience, I'd say doubled in frequency of sexual acts.

Recalled two dreams in the morning, both of which I'd woken up during.
(((Both mundane mixed in with strange, profound and movie-esque, partially relating to mundane events from the day before... two dream characters were people I'd observed briefly that day (in the dream I listened to a rasta and a cockney talk about life sitting in a common room at the top of a rundown council tower block with views across the city- in realtiy I had seen the two at different times/locations), and the other dream involved an action from the day (was designing toilets in a new build at work in reality, but in the dream I was in a period hotel using a scabby toilet when I found a botched secret panel in the wall that led to, um, another toilet. The mob were rumoured to be in this murder-mystery-esque hotel for some reason, no idea why.)))

This morning I woke up feeling slightly mystical, powerful, strong and purposeful (interesting!). More observant of city sounds. Still tired, with puffy bags under my eyes, but not as tired as the two days before. Morning "number 2's" have been more solid than usual during the experiment, despite no other changes in diet, which makes me think of the member on that link who thought it slowed digestion. I'm feeling really hungry every morning. I have drunk my foam again.
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how to prepare silene capensis

place 1g of ground root(even if its a bit rough its fine) in a cup and add some water.
I prepared this one yesterday so this is second day foam.



Choose a wooden spoon that fits your cup.



Holding the wooden spoon handle between ur 2 hands as if ur clapping - spin the stick - as if ur making a fire with sticks.
This generates foam - but will stop generating foam at a certain point - spin for about 30 seconds to 1 minute to get a nice thick head worked up.



Use a tablespoon to scoop up and consume the foam - repeat the stick spinning and eating - until you dont feel like eating more foam.
Place the Water and Root in the fridge to use the next day - this brew can be used for about 3 days.

Best to consume the foam an hour or so after waking up.

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#54 Posted : 5/21/2010 12:27:14 PM
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Nice instructions, Phlux Smile

I just spontaneously remembered a portion of a third dream from last night! That's as many dreams remembered from one night as I would usually remember in months. Looking promising. I'll come back and report how it's going after a week or so once my supply's run out, to conclude my personal experiences.
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#55 Posted : 6/3/2010 11:31:58 PM

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I recently found a rather large amount of Silene dioica growing wild. Many of you live in areas where you will find it or Silene latifolia, another close relative. I just now recently tried eating the leaves, and they do have the same effect as Silene capensis leaves does!

Therefore it seems like it contains the same saponins. I will try to see if it has the same effect on dreams. Smile I don't know if Silene latifolia is active, but I will post if I find it!
 
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Evening Glory wrote:
I recently found a rather large amount of Silene dioica growing wild. Many of you live in areas where you will find it or Silene latifolia, another close relative. I just now recently tried eating the leaves, and they do have the same effect as Silene capensis leaves does!

Therefore it seems like it contains the same saponins. I will try to see if it has the same effect on dreams. Smile I don't know if Silene latifolia is active, but I will post if I find it!


This would be really good EveGlow ! Is this strain european ?
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#57 Posted : 6/4/2010 2:53:23 PM

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Yes, both Silene dioica and Silene latifolia grows wild in large parts of Europe.
 
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#58 Posted : 6/4/2010 6:28:29 PM

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I'd be all ears regarding it's dream enhancing properties !
Smell like tea n,n spirit !

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#59 Posted : 6/4/2010 6:30:35 PM

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I love dream root! It is the only psychoactive substance I've taken which has ZERO body load, which is awesome!

Experience seems to differ from person to person. Here are some of my experiences, contrary to what other have been saying....

= Dream root DOES have an effect on waking consciousness. It makes colors more vibrant, and emotions enhanced, and imagination free flowing. So if I feel really good, and go for a nice walk, I'll take some root to enhance it. Wouldn't want to take it on a bad day.

= the effects are noticeable and wear off after about 4-5 hours, so I would think taking it upon waking would not do anything for your dreams the next night. I don't know.

= I haven't been able to use it and get to sleep. My mind becomes too active to sleep after taking dream root, so although I haven't had any dreams on ADR, it does noticeably increase hypnagogic imagery. I'll be trying to sleep, and visions of spirals and stuff keep popping up, can't get to sleep.

= there is no purgative effect from taking more than 0.5 grams. One reference post mentioned vomitting. I imagine you'd have to swallow a hell of a lot. I've taken 3g and there was no purge or stomach upset at all. Keep in mind though, I just wet the stuff and chew it and suck on it, till it has no more taste. I don't swallow the root itself.

= so instead of using ADR to increase dreams, I use it as a meditation enhancer. The hypnagogic imagery can be strong. It's maybe about half as strong as a sublingual salvia trip, except no body load.
 
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#60 Posted : 6/4/2010 10:22:33 PM
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I've finished my experiments with this stuff. I'm afraid my dosage wasn't consistent, because of trying to switch methods to reduce the negative effects etc. Here's the rundown:

-Day 1: 0.3g chewed, held in the mouth then swallowed SC root, evening
Effects while awake as posted before, and the strongest while waking. Difficulty sleeping that night.
-Day2: 0.3g SC root, morning
Chewed then swallowed, but not held in the mouth long. Effects less noticeable but similar. Difficulty sleeping again.
-Day 3: foam drunk from 1g SC in water (prep as posted before), morning and evening
Strong effects.
-Day 4: foam from yesterday's mixture, morning and evening
Less strong but noticeable effects.
-Day 5: foam, morning and evening
-Day 6: foam in the morning, then I split the mixture into 4 doses, filtered, and drank one dose in the morning and one at night.
-Day 7: 2nd and 3rd doses of the filtered solution in am and pm (slight effects still noticeable upon ingestion), and foam from new mixture in the evening made from my final 0.4g of SC.
-Day 8: foam in the morning, then filtered the mixture and dosed a third in the evening.
-Day 9: second and third doses of the filtered mixture.
Effects lingered for a couple of days.

I did not enjoy this experiment. Sometimes taking SC made me feel subtly powerful, stimulated, slightly more irritable, more emotionally aggressive, I imagined it felt like how steroids might feel. At the beginning I had felt dreamy and spiritual, but later on I more just felt subtly but tensely wired. Found myself tensing my jaw a lot. I lost the humble ayawaskan spiritualness I had felt before the experiment and began feeling more earthy, which was neither a good nor a bad thing... went from feeling a little too humble to a little too forceful. I did wonder if this was a biological healing of sorts because I did feel more like 'my old self' this way, but that's wild speculation.

I was tired the whole time from poor sleep. I did remember some dreams, three from one night when I'd had the most SC that day, one on most nights, two on a few and none on others. I'd say this would average out at one dream a night. Dreams were not any more vivid nor lucid than before. I only remembered the dreams because SC made me wake up a few times most mornings. I think it was just waking-induced remembering, in which case the effect can be produced with a few alarm clocks instead of a substance if I really wanted to remember dreams.

Faeces were noticably more solid during the experiment, though not uncomfortably so, and went back to usual once experiment was over.

I acknowledge that my experiment was short, but I ran out of material, and while I'm interested in what the effects of longer use might be, I didn't like the tiredness, increased difficulty getting to sleep, and waking during sleep. The fact that people say the changes are permanent makes me not want to experiment further, because the state that SC put me in was not conducive to constructive personal development. Maybe my dosage was slightly too high, but I was trying to simulate traditional use, because I believe tribal people do things a certain way for a reason.

Verdict: on the basis of this short trial, balancing pros and cons, SC did not seem like a useful plant helper for me personally. Still, I'm glad I tried it out and there hasn't seemed to be lasting negative effects. My previous humble state has not returned, which could be good or bad, I don't know but I'm happy with that, but I can't attribute this definitely to the root, because moods change naturally anyway so it could be coincidence.
Everything I write is fictional roleplay. Obviously! End tribal genocide: www.survival-international.org Quick petitions for meaningful change: www.avaaz.org/en/
End prohibition: www.leap.cc www.tdpf.org.uk And "Feeling Good" by David D.Burns MD is a very useful book.
 
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