If we were to give in and delete all houses words alot of other members posts would be romoved in the process. Every reply with a quote would need to be removed, etc. It would be a tragic mess.

It reminds me of a child who isn't getting his way. Please stop creating new posts dragging this tantrum out.

You guys are being irresponsible. If the guy wants his posts deleted then do it for him. It doesn't help that so many of you insist that the visions produced by dmt are just as tangible as our physical habitat. Thats definitely not going to help someone who's currently battling mental issues.

House, if you're reading this brother, keep up the good fight. Things will get better. Apparently some people forgot on here that being humane to others is paramount and can't appreciate someone who's in a mental rut.

No, what's irresponsible is encouraging irrational behavior. Deleting a persons posts will not cure or help a psychological break but will affect every thread he posted on. It is important to keep the integrity of our community. Why sacrafice our community for a tantrum of one individual? What would it accomplish?

It would make him happy. You don't know what kind of state of mind hes in. Its just an internet forum and it should never be put before anyones life. What if the refusal to delete his posts caused him to harm himself? How would you feel then?

This community needs to be more realistic and not let this mystical attitude of psychedelia be the ruling law. Thats my personal opinion. Since its not my forum its not my decision. I stopped coming on this forum because too many people on here are paranoid and disconnected. I originally joined this forum for hard knowledge, something there seems to be less and less of on this forum. All I'm saying is not taking someone who claims to have mental problems seriously is an extremely immature and irresponsible thing to do.

because it will make him happy? He may harm himself if we don't delete his post? Are you serious? "Mystical attitude of psychedelia is our rule of law"..... What are you talking about?

What are you on about woman?

I understand house..i really do. I cant even begin to put it into words here for you people..I dont know how many mushrooms I took tonight or if it even actaully makes any sense..but I understand why at times it can be so comforting to just forget certain things..and Im not talking about psychedelics..im talking things in general..ahh i probly sounds like a nutcase right now but I dont care!

I just feel alot of sympathy for house when i really think about how he must feel and what hes going through..

Wow, I'm away for a week just to discover this. Makes me kinda sad, because I like house , even the new house. I just think that he needs time to sort things out and I'm confident that he'll succeed and that this process will make him a better person.

I agree with his request beeing selfish. I can certainly understand the he wants to have this is some sort of ritual to "move on", but every poster here makes an comittment which goes way bewyond contributing content.

The idea to anonymize his postings wouldn'T do any good i guess because his content would still be out there.

So this is a farewell house? Then goodbye, i certainly wish you only the best.

im with the OP on this one

Somebody PM'd me about this quote, they thought it was a joke, and they suggested I edit the "cruel" post.

But I'm a friend of House, I didn't make a joke about him at all, the suggestion is serious and compassionate.

Since Traveller hasn't allowed House to erase his posts yet, it appears Traveller isn't going to let House do it.

Since Traveller has taken away the right to edit (which we all have), at least House's name should be edited.

Actually, instead of changing the name to "Not House", perhaps House would prefer changing it to a blank " ".



By the way, people: how many of you have edited a post during the 3 minute grace period after you posted it?

How many of you have edited a post after that? How many of you have deleted a post, for whatever reason?

Now, imagine someone says, "We're going to retroactively revert all your edits: because you initially wrote it."

"That's right, every word and every sentence you deleted, it's all going to be published as you originally wrote."



Seriously Traveller, if you're going to make a rule, make it universal: all members are hereby not allowed to edit.

Of course moderators can keep edit/delete ability: just take the edit/delete ability away from all non-moderators.

Then we'll see how many members continue to claim, "House has no right to erase the words which he 'published'."

Ermm....

People edit posts to correct typos, clarify meanings and basically make a better post. What this has to do with House, who just wants all of his posts deleted (= edited to teh extreme)?

I agree and if House is amenable, I feel like this would be the most beneficial solution to the problem. As was already pointed out, if House feels that the words themselves are the issue and not the source, then there may be issue with that, but at the very least it's worth seeing what he thinks.

Honestly, as to the rest of this, I'm a little appalled at some of the arguments I've been seeing. This is a message board forum, yes. The things we type are in the public domain, yes. But, we (full users) all have a delete button next to every single post we make. There is no disclaimer stating that any and all posts become intellectual property of www.dmt-nexus.me upon the poster hitting the "post" button. There is no forum guideline or rule stating that posts may only be deleted for X or Y reason. In fact, if this intellectual property were retained by the nexus and not the individual users, there would have been no need for me to draft up a short copyright statement for CEL stating that all trip reports are the intellectual property of the users who posted them.

IF, our posts are not our intellectual property after our posting and DO in fact become property of the Nexus, this needs to be clearly spelled out somewhere. I don't mean to rattle any cages and part of the reason I have refrained from getting involved in this debate for so long is that I am not a fan of laying out more rules. Yet, if this debate continues on (and really, even if it doesn't) the issue of who "owns" our posts has been brought to the surface and might as well be addressed now. Either our posts are our property to do with as we see fit or they are property of the Nexus and all personal claims to ownership are forfeited upon posting.

I find it interesting that many people have compared the Nexus to publishing in print-media. These analogies are both incorrect and unnecessary. We do not need analogies as to the kind of media House is publishing in because we know what kind of media he is publishing in; an internet forum. This form of media was designed to replace real world bulletin boards initially. Therefore the analogy should be between putting up/taking down notes on a bulletin board, not printing and unprinting in a newspaper. When comparing apples to apples (or media to media) it seems the analogies made were completely off the mark as far as examining the media and, if anything, the type of mediium we are interacting through supports House's request. This is not a request by the online New York Times to remove stories about the attempted Times Square carbombing, but rather a request by a faculty member to remove his theories and revelations from an inter-departmental bulletin board. Can anyone voice any reason aside from "maintaining continuity" as grounds for denying House his request? If so, please state those grounds now.


Who are you to determine what will or will not cure someone's psychological break (also, note that House never said it would "cure" him, just that it was one step among many that he is taking to get his life steered in the direction he is aiming for). I would never claim to be in someone's head well enough to know what (along the lines of these smaller steps) would or would not help someone deal with their psychological issues. It is important to remember that a community is only what it affords to its members. You talk of integrity of the community. Well, at the point where a valued member wants to cut ties with the community where is the communal integrity in denying him that right? If this was a real world meeting group, House could just pack up his things and leave. We would have no recourse for holding onto his uttered words aside from our own memories. Just because the medium is different here seems like rather flimsy reasoning to deny this request.

To make another point, House would have been able to do exactly what we are all discussing if he had never made his intentions known. I have deleted posts for numerous reasons, whether they were posted in anger or just aren't coherent or if I just didn't like the way that they sounded. Never did anyone question or challenge me on doing this. I know various other members on here have deleted numerous posts, some taking their post count down from close to 200 posts to less than 40. There was no outcry when this happened, there was no cry for "communal integrity" then. Why has it arisen now? I'll tell you why, because someone found out about House's intentions before he was able to delete his posts. Even if people had noticed afterwards, it's not hard to disappear those threads (as happened to a particular mescaline thread not too long ago...I'm not sayin'...I'm just sayin'...). My point is there needs to be consistency with regards to this. While it may not seem like big deal to those of us that are not House, I would propose that that is just why it does not seem like a big deal. We are not House and cannot view this request from his perspective and within his life circumstances. I don't understand how so many people have determined that they know what house does or does not need and have even gone so far as to question the credentials of people House has talked to in the real world.


This is ridiculous. First of all, this has nothing to do with the edit function, only the delete function. House doesn't want his posts edited, he wants them removed (something you are intimately acquainted with, Ya). The EDIT function is crucial, many of my posts would look horrible if not for the ability to edit them. The DELETE function is equally necessary for a variety of reasons and these abilities being in the hands of users as opposed to becoming moderator tools is of paramount importance to the Nexus remaining a free exchange of thoughts an ideas. If these functions were removed, I would leave this forum without a second thought (but that's not really the issue at hand). Suffice to say that EDIT and DELETE are crucial user functions. We are faced with a case where a valuable member wishes to make use of the DELETE function in a manner that many seem to argue is beyond its appropriate use. If there is an appropriate manner for deleting posts (i.e. users are not free to go back and delete their posts, or it is greatly frowned upon) this should be stated somewhere.

This shouldn't be overly hard to resolve. I lament that this has become such a public firestorm, especially in light of the fact that this whole debate stemmed out of a request for this to be ended through ending the existence of House on this site. Honestly, I'm at the point where I just want to lay this to rest and have it stop popping up in the active topics section of the forum. There's really nothing that hasn't already been said, this particular case should be finished up between house and the mods.

peace
SB

Infundibulum, unlike you, there are many Nexus members who HAVE edited their posts "to the extreme" = 100% deletion.

Many pressed edit and Erased what they wrote, many pressed the Delete button, and many did both. Without asking.

Some erased their posts to prevent PROSECUTION, since their IP address is being stored in some UNSECURE server.

Some erased their posts to prevent losing their job, because they accidentally shared too much info at one point.

Some erased their posts because they sobered up and realized that they no longer feel the same way anymore.

So what should be done about all of these deletions already done, should Traveller revert everyone's deletions?

Those members didn't ask Traveller for permission, they simply deleted all their posts. So why must House beg?

^^^^^i think it was stated that if house deleted all his posts the forum would crash.

If it makes a heroin junkie happy if I give him heroin should I then do that? And if he harms himself because I didn't give him heroin should I feel bad about that?
You can not erase your past by erasing some shit you wrote on a forum!

I think this has all been some drama play by house to get attention. He became the queen of drama queens and we should not support that kind of behavior.

Even if that was stated, I think that it's patently untrue...

This is the DMT-Nexus, not the HOUSE-Nexus...I'm sure the forum could get on fine without his posts. People are putting too much stock in the individual; this is a community. Yes, House's wise words will be missed, but they are House's words to do with as he pleases (at least no statement to the contrary exists on the Nexus).

I would never deny someone the right to retract anything they have said in print or speech. Doing so does not benefit the users or the community and is nonsensical along the same lines as Bush calling Kerry a flip-flopper so many years ago; as time progresses, things change and as these things change, so do people's attitudes and reactions to them. If someone once posted something they no longer wish to remain public that is their right, as I already stated in another thread, only to have that erased by the powers that be (not complaining, merely highlighting how arbitrary these decisions about what to erase and what to keep appear to me).

House, if you're still reading this, could you either chime in on the OP's suggestion or in the event you no longer care (whether that happens today, or in weeks or months, or never) could you let us know so we can lay this all to rest? I love you and hope you are doing well in your journey of self re-orientation.

Hi people,

Let me chime in on this one since it's causing quite a stir and not the least in my own brain.

The first thing I would like to make clear is that I have no personal grudge against house and that what I would like most is that house gets a good peace of mind and find the inner rest he so much graves for. If his request was easy I would have done it a long time ago. Unfortunately, it aint that simple at all.


To elaborate a few things:

Change the name of house to another name

One of the first things I proposed to house was to change the name with which his posts were made to another one. House didn't agree to that since it would still leave the content on the forum.

Would the forum crash if all his posts were deleted at once?

Of course not.

Deletion of all the posts house ever made and the collateral damage

House not only made near 2000 posts but also started about 70 topics. In these topics a total of more as 1600 posts have been made as a reply, mostly by people other then house himself. House also made many posts in topics of other people, there were many replies to those posts by other members. So deleting all of houses posts would not only delete 2000 of his own but it would also make thousands of posts from other members pointless.

How can I comply with the request of one person while I would cripple the posts of so many others in the same process? I hope you all agree that this is no simple request at all and that there is no solution were nobody gets hurt.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

This may sound harsh, but my intentions are good. It’s time for some tough love.

We have 106 posts in the “A little warning from someone who's smoked loads of DMT “ thread, 64 posts in the “Conclusion” thread, and with this post, another 37 posts in the “A possible solution to House's request?” thread. That’s 207+ posts discussing House and his problems. How many posts do we need to settle this? How long are we going to stroke House’s ego and enable his pathology?

For House’s own good, lock this thread, ban House from the forum, and be done with it.

Thank you for seriously thinking about this. So, how about keeping those 70 thread-starting posts?

By keeping the 70 thread-starting posts, the 1600 replies to those 70 topics remain "pointful" forever.

The 1930 simple replies (which he made when the delete button was an option) are his option to delete.




And in the future, if you don't approve post deletions, please write this new rule clearly upfront in the TOS.

Thus, this "problem" won't occur again. You can say, "Look, the TOS clearly states you can't delete your posts."



Create that new rule. Meanwhile, House posted like all of us: under the impression that there is a delete button option.

Spock: Were I to invoke logic, however, logic clearly dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

Kirk: Or the one.

Star Trek 2 - The Wrath of Khan


My personal opinion is that the delete function should be disabled if there has been a reply after your own post. Think before you post. If you post something that you later want to delete for whatever reason, its your own fault. Deal with it, as it will never be the end of the world.