Oh yeah, I always just assume that maoi is taken before oral dmt. So in what way are they different?

Wait, fnog9, I'm really confused. Didn't you just take a large oral dose? What maoi did you use and how did you take it?

Also, just because it can be taken before (I always take them at the same time when doing pharma) doesn't mean it's not affecting you. The effects of the drugs overlap. The effects of the maoi are what allow you to experience the effects of the dmt. So, while the MAOI is preventing the DMT from metabolising, its psychoactive properties are hitting you concurrently with those of the dmt.

I only vape it because I don't have the flexibility to be away for two hours or more. It's kind of sad that I can barely pull off the 20 minutes or half hour that a MAOI + vaped experience takes. I smoke only late at night when my family is asleep. I am also on call 24/7 as a volunteer firefighter and EMT. Makes it a little complicated to die, come back, visit other worlds, etc...


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Pokey your posts are always brilliant.

1664 the entertained

Yes I did, and I took 3g of crushed Syrian Rue. As far as I know, dmt is orally active without maoi, it's just that more of it will get eaten by your stomach if you don't take an maoi. Almost no one takes dmt without maoi though.

I've tried large doses of syrian rue by itself, and it only made me very dizzy, and VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY nauseated. 3g syrian rue by itself does not seem to have any psychedelic effect on me at all.

I was wondering about smoking because I am not a smoker by any means. I can't even smoke cigarettes without feelng like I've been poisoned. And I've read that dmt vape is really REALLY harsh, even by smoker standards, so I imagine smoking dmt would be nearly impossible for me.... so unless I hear that smoking it is differnt, or better or more visual somehow, I'll probably never smoke it. Although, like people here say, if I want an intense experience that only lasts a short time, smoking would be the way to go. My 4 hour thing was quite long. I was exhausted after a few minutes. Not that I regret it.... I just wouldn't do it again in those quantities.

Actually, this is not true. Monoamine oxidase inhibition in the gut is required for dmt to be active orally.

If either smoking or drinking dissatisfies you, my best advice is to work further upon techniques of preparation and ingestion. There is a way to go deep when smoking without blacking out. There are ways to go deep when drinking without getting stupidly physically ill. If you think the short trip to hyperspace isn't worth it, you're missing out. If you think you might go crazy when sitting down for the full huasca session, you are wrong and missing out. Both are SO profound, healing, and beautiful!! (Granted, certain lifestyles may make one route of ingestion easier than the other, but this does not mean one should write off the possibility forever.)

Both are ABSOLUTELY WORTHWHILE pursuits... each is different in its own right... they work wonderfully together...

Smoking didn't please me (after over 100+ Ayahuasca sessions), initially, because I *didn't get it,* as far as smoking technique went. I really thought I had it, but then, lo and behold, I ACTUALLY got it.

Trust me... the medicines do reward those who take the time to really get to know them... and please don't give up so easily. It makes my heart sad to think about any person missing any/either of these phenomenal opportunities.

Thanks, Minxx, nah I'm good with my oral ingestion method, dmt acetate. 100% stomach approved. If the experiences are the same, except for duration, and if the maoi required for oral use does not impede the visuals, or anything else, then I'll probably always stick with eating it.

The difference between a pharma trip vs vaped dmt without MAOI is something I would like more insight into.

Hmmmmm....let me put it this way: What are the differences in the entities, locations, and Chrysanthemums? Do you get elves with pharma? Clowns and Jesters? Reptiles, mantises, opticus? Sexual dancing entities? Do you get the dome with the artifacts in the middle? The machine morphing cities? Or does the inclusion of Harmine, Harmaline and tetrahydroharmine drastically alter what one would expect from a regular vaped trip?

fnog9, just to reiterate, dmt is not orally active by itself, you gotta take an maoi with it or you'll be wasting your spice.



I don't know that there's more insight to give without actually experiencing it.

Let me put it this way: Personally, I find my vaped experiences to be so varied from one session to the next from the same batch of fb or changa that I don't understand these kind of questions. It's always different. Harmala's increase this difference, but at the core it's got all of the identifiers of a dmt trip. Maybe you'll see entities, maybe you won't, maybe you'll wind up in a celestial setting, maybe extraterrestrial, maybe you'll open your eyes to discover you've broken through into your own room (I've had all these experiences from the same batch of spice). AFAIK there's no really dialing the experience in based on either dmt alone or dmt + MAOIs. As far as expectations go...expect nothing, only then can you receive everything.

peace
SB