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#1 Posted : 4/28/2010 1:59:41 AM

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Right. this is only my opinion, and god knows its not the law; you don't have to do this but im going to highlight the correct use of
psychedelics.

ALL Psychedelics, lsd, 2-cb, 2-ct-7, psilocybin & psilocin, or acetoxy esters thereof (4-Acetoxy-DMT, which I have obtained recently)
should always be used to discover your truest self; and its place in the grand scheme. this is the highest use of psychedelic
agents and, in practice, should be the only use. i.e with an inward pointing direction, setting sail into your innermost being as
a brave explorer fairing unknown worlds.

does anyone agree?
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#2 Posted : 4/28/2010 2:00:45 AM

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What about someone with a busted eustachian tube who uses LSD weekly to open up blood vessels and feel normal and not in pain anymore?

Entheogens are medicines with infinite functions, not just one.

 
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#3 Posted : 4/28/2010 2:11:02 AM

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۩ wrote:
What about someone with a busted eustachian tube who uses LSD weekly to open up blood vessels and feel normal and not in pain anymore?

Entheogens are medicines with infinite functions, not just one.

Except for the fact that LSD is a vasoconstrictor, not a vasodilator, you make a valid point.
 
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#4 Posted : 4/28/2010 2:12:45 AM

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*sighs*

Yeah, that's what science says.

Listen to your bodies. They'll tell you everything you need to know.
 
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#5 Posted : 4/28/2010 2:13:21 AM

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No, I don't agree.
 
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#6 Posted : 4/28/2010 2:16:12 AM

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۩ wrote:
*sighs*

Yeah, that's what science says.

Listen to your bodies. They'll tell you everything you need to know.

If you check the size of blood vessels before using LSD and during a LSD session, you will see that the blood vessels are indeed constricted when under the influence of LSD. That is just how it is. While I do agree that science has a role that need to be modified and while I certainly do agree that we should listen to our body, you really can't claim that LSD is a vasodilator when it is exactly the opposite.
 
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#7 Posted : 4/28/2010 2:33:43 AM

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No need to get so worked up! I wish you didn't take everything so personal, it's of no use to go on an ego rant. You did state that LSD open up blood vessels, a notion I felt I had to correct. I did not say anything about the fact that people use entheogens for different purposes. All I did was correct an erroneously statement, which I really do feel anyone have the right to do without being cursed at.
 
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#8 Posted : 4/28/2010 2:42:53 AM

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This is not an ego battle for anyone else than you, my brother. It's not about claiming the truth, it's about spreading correct knowledge. I do not hold the truth, and neither do you.
 
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#10 Posted : 4/28/2010 3:39:00 AM

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What happened to house's posts?
 
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#11 Posted : 4/28/2010 4:31:40 AM



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Evening Glory wrote:
What happened to house's posts?


I don't know what your talking about man, what posts!? Really, you should consider laying off the drugs my friend...Looks like your having a conversation with yourself..
















Just kidding Wink
I have no idea why they got deleted.

Shoe I disagree i think the psychedelics have many uses besides the introspective/explorative part. Shamans use them primarily to heal, and not for self directed exploration in search of their truest-self..although i bet that is a nice side effect either way when using the tools.
I still think they can and should be used respectfully with mindfulness for all the useful purposes that we can find for them. Like healing, creating/really hearingfeelingseeing music, increased awareness, exploration, catalyzing artistic energy, ect.



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#12 Posted : 4/28/2010 8:47:11 AM

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I feel the energy of the Nexus... It's getting darker lately. Ego vs. ego, intelligence vs. superstition matches abound... But no problem, I like it like this. And it will be better when we work it out. Hopefully we will.

Antrocles, where are you? We could use some light.

Shoe: I deep-heartedly agree, superficially (the usual mode) disagree. We are living in these systems called democracy, you know. We have to adjust our deeply felt Truth to the lowest common denominator.
 
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#13 Posted : 4/28/2010 9:42:23 AM

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UniverseCannon wrote:
Evening Glory wrote:
What happened to house's posts?


Shamans use them primarily to heal, and not for self directed exploration in search of their truest-self..although i bet that is a nice side effect either way when using the tools.
I still think they can and should be used respectfully with mindfulness for all the useful purposes that we can find for them. Like healing, creating/really hearingfeelingseeing music, increased awareness, exploration, catalyzing artistic energy, ect.



I think the self directed exploration is a part of the healing process. Especially since a lot of the times the healing is psychic and not only physical. I don't think the two things can be considered as seperate.

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shoe wrote:
Right. this is only my opinion, and god knows its not the law; you don't have to do this but im going to highlight the correct use of
psychedelics.

ALL Psychedelics, lsd, 2-cb, 2-ct-7, psilocybin & psilocin, or acetoxy esters thereof (4-Acetoxy-DMT, which I have obtained recently)
should always be used to discover your truest self; and its place in the grand scheme. this is the highest use of psychedelic
agents and, in practice, should be the only use. i.e with an inward pointing direction, setting sail into your innermost being as
a brave explorer fairing unknown worlds.

does anyone agree?

No agreement here. Well, maybe the first few times one uses psychs definitely involves some self-exploration and introspection. But after than that psychedelics are often good for seeing cool colours and the feel-good feeling.

If it were only to "discover your truest self; and its place in the grand scheme" you then really do not need all these psychedelics neither too often to do it. If you really need to do psychedelics all the time to discover your truest self then you may actually have a personality problem.






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#15 Posted : 4/28/2010 10:17:52 AM

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They can also be a whole lot of fun, and great to bond with friends. Also I like to go clubbing from time to time and go dance around like crazy, and they work there sometimes. I went to see autechre on 4-aco-dmt recently, was a great fun expereince. I have also started taking peruvian torch when going to some club nights, its far better than mdma, I know this may not be the respectful way to do it and it snt doing it as a ceremony but it works and it makes me feel great. When I drink aya, which has been two-three times a month recently, sometimes more, then thats when I use them to work on myself, sometimes I will use other things for this personal work but imo they can be used for fun too! I dont think oh no im not using these how they should be used, for me I am using them how I should be because I am unique and it works for me.
 
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cellux wrote:
I feel the energy of the Nexus... It's getting darker lately. Ego vs. ego, intelligence vs. superstition matches abound... But no problem, I like it like this. And it will be better when we work it out. Hopefully we will.

Antrocles, where are you? We could use some light.

Shoe: I deep-heartedly agree, superficially (the usual mode) disagree. We are living in these systems called democracy, you know. We have to adjust our deeply felt Truth to the lowest common denominator.


I hear ya brother! the nexus has absoloutely stagnated lately, hardly any new posts coming up, and none of the love that used to be so abundant, for me. its all become way too real and serious. discussions about mental illness, tonnes of fear, arguments. gone is all the acceptance of other points of view, tolerance, embracing the crazy and lighthearted funmaking which covered all the serious differing of opinions.

Well, im' gonna make an effort to be more like that. be the light you require!

Infundibulum wrote:

If it were only to "discover your truest self; and its place in the grand scheme" you then really do not need all these psychedelics neither too often to do it. If you really need to do psychedelics all the time to discover your truest self then you may actually have a personality problem.


I use the term 'self' here in the sense of the grand self, brahman, the absoloute 'self', not self as in you the person.
I appreciate your just looking out for me though, could you reconsider your response based on this new info?

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Infinite I wrote:
They can also be a whole lot of fun, and great to bond with friends. Also I like to go clubbing from time to time and go dance around like crazy, and they work there sometimes. I went to see autechre on 4-aco-dmt recently, was a great fun expereince. I have also started taking peruvian torch when going to some club nights, its far better than mdma, I know this may not be the respectful way to do it and it snt doing it as a ceremony but it works and it makes me feel great. When I drink aya, which has been two-three times a month recently, sometimes more, then thats when I use them to work on myself, sometimes I will use other things for this personal work but imo they can be used for fun too! I dont think oh no im not using these how they should be used, for me I am using them how I should be because I am unique and it works for me.


Its weird but you actually sound the most sane out of all of us! I hardly ever go clubbing any more, and the DJing has suffered too. but fear not!!! soon enough I am organising a small outdoor party with my 250w cabs, a fold-out table, my laptop and effects. Its gonna be WICKED! I've dubbed it "froxxtoberfest."

My god, stay on topic, shoe!

Evening Glory wrote:
۩ wrote:
What about someone with a busted eustachian tube who uses LSD weekly to open up blood vessels and feel normal and not in pain anymore?

Entheogens are medicines with infinite functions, not just one.

Except for the fact that LSD is a vasoconstrictor, not a vasodilator, you make a valid point.


Yeah thats true as far as I know, It was in looking for a vasoconstrictor that the ergot alkaloids were originally investigated, and there is still an ergot derived medication used in excessive postnatal bleeding (methergin)



Protip for any would-be ergot researchers: there are also a few parkinson's drugs which are derrived from ergot.
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#17 Posted : 4/28/2010 6:25:39 PM

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shoe wrote:
Infundibulum wrote:

If it were only to "discover your truest self; and its place in the grand scheme" you then really do not need all these psychedelics neither too often to do it. If you really need to do psychedelics all the time to discover your truest self then you may actually have a personality problem.


I use the term 'self' here in the sense of the grand self, brahman, the absoloute 'self', not self as in you the person.
I appreciate your just looking out for me though, could you reconsider your response based on this new info?

Absolutely, if you also describe the terms "grand self", "brahman self" and "absolute self" with which I am totally unfamiliar.

If you like doing psychedelics then there must be something you like about them. Or in other words you derive some sort of pleasure from them (even sadistic mushroom torture/pleasure). People use all kinds of words to describe the effects of psychedelics; they say "healing", "discover the true inner self" etc whereas SWIM says "I had pretty much great fun".

Also, taking psychedelics to "get fucked" is great fun too, maybe the greatest fun!





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