Thanks, Pandora. I really appreciate it.

That being said, just for the sake of clarification, can we elaborate more on what is healthy, common-sense precaution, what could be potentially careless, and what could be outright paranoid?

I am not particularly concerned, for a number of reasons, personally.

But I have intellectually wondered a few things: what about electronic purchase records? I do shop online. And like you mentioned, with the soap: I don't have any real "dying" equipment around my house, except for that Mimosa, which I just might like to dye something with some day. Is that being careless?

These aren't things that make me lose sleep at night, but since we're on the subject, I thought this might be the best time to ask to get an honest and logical answer.

When you do talk to others about DMT, how do you go about it?

As my old stoner buddies used to say, "paranoia will destroy ya!"

I agree.

Among many politicians, big company CEO's and ordinary criminals, there certainly is a desire to conspire against the rest of humanity, we don't have to be naive about that. But in 99% of the case these people are to stupid to do it succesfully.

The bush administration was a perfect example of this. Bush, Cheney, rumsfeld, carl rove and all of the other sinister types around the W administration obviously where very ambitious when it comes to organising dark conspiracy's. But their total lack of mental awareness of even the most rudimentary kind made it impossible fro them to do this.

Some people say that the iraq war was a conspiracy to get hold of the oil, but these people where to incompetent to orchestrate such a thing. They just wanted to do something heroic and maybe get a little richer on the way and though a war would be a fun way to do this and the constelation of political forces at that time just happened to create the momentum for the whole gig.

It became a totally failed operation that purely by coincidence came of the ground.

If people say that it was a conspiracy, they give W too much credit. It implies that he knew what he was doing.

Basically, people who know what they're doing, the grown-up's are not much into conspiring and such....that's sort of a grown-up thing, not to dwell too much into fantasies about world domination.

If you want to learn more about the reality of what gets people into trouble, search online for “DMT arrests”. What you’ll find is this:

1. A man who drove through a local pet store after suffering a heart attack behind the wheel of his car on Thursday was arrested after it was discovered that he was under the influence of the hallucinogenic drug DMT (dimethyltryptamine) at the time.

2. "They had possession of about half an ounce of marijuana, and they were intending to sell it," Vonore Police Chief John Hines said. "There could be more charges." …While in custody, the teenagers admitted they'd been making drugs in the dorm, authorities said.

3. Narcotics investigators in neighboring Haywood County this summer seized tabs of the drug in a car and later at a house. They suspected it in two violent arrests, including one where a man was swinging an axe handle at oncoming cars in the middle of a traffic circle. …In court papers, sheriff's detective R.L. Buchanan said authorities learned of drugs through three confidential informants.

4. A search warrant was executed and two Blowing Rock residents arrested following the undercover purchase of just over two ounces of psilocybin mushrooms. …On Dec. 8 the Watauga County Sheriff's Office special operations division served a search warrant at 3172 U.S. 321, Apt. A. During the search, 57.9 grams of psilocybin mushrooms were discovered in addition to DMT (dimethletryptamine).

5. According to court papers, a cooperating witness working with the DEA bought a small amount of LSD from Riordan in September. In early October, Riordan offered the witness a chance to try “a new drug” — DMT — which the witness purchased with DEA funds in October and this month.

6. Shortly before 4:00 a.m. Saturday, January 10 th, troopers patrolling southbound on the eastern extension of the Turnpike in Secaucus observed a vehicle driving erratically. They stopped the car and arrested the driver, Yusuf Samantar, 33, Prospect Ave., in Newark, N.J., for DWI. During a search of the vehicle, troopers found a plastic bag wrapped with tape containing the CDS (controlled dangerous substance) weighing almost one and one-half pounds.

Whoops. The first quote was taken from a satire news site.

The others do appear to be legitimate, and all involved DMT.

The point I was trying to make was in agreement with your original point. If you use common sense then you’ll be OK. But if you decide to sell DMT or other illegal substances, or drive drunk with illegal substances in your car, or do other stupid things, then you might find yourself in trouble.

I will second pandora's general point. Just have some good sense and you will probably be fine. Its not like they havent gotten enough on their hands already

Plus, caving in to paranoia is in a way letting them win. Not being paranoid of course doesnt mean not being careful or prudent, the inverse actually, it means being pragmatic about it and very prudent and careful with things that make sense, but not wasting energy on unnecessary fears. "Trust in god but tie your camel's legs"

Each one to his own as always of course



Just to express another point here, if one is doing anything illegal, there's always the 'X' factor which the totally unpredictable variable, the unknown risk, so one has to decide for themselves what to do and what not to do with his best judgement.

Lastly, it also depends what country you live in....

I am on the other end of the spectrum.

I believe we are not safe. Want to know why?

Every piece of text uploaded to the internet. Every text message. Every phone call. Every voice mail: Gets sent through scanning bots for certain words. (Yes, even your voice. The programs nowadays are VERY GOOD. Just call 1-800-411-GOOG)

The more of these key words you rack up, the more focus that is upon you. Regardless of what you think, this is well documented public information. This is how data is mined nowadays.
This is one of the main reasons Facebook was even invented, btw.

I would personally never speak of, let alone offer to trade the spirit molecule on a social networking (aka data mining) site like myspace, for example.

but........That's just how I see it................

offering to trade spirit molecule on social networking would definitely NOT fit on the 'being prudent' recommendation I mentioned, thats for sure!

This way of gathering data leads to so many hit's that it is virtually impossible for any government organisation to effectively monitor what people are doing. When almost everybody is listed in some database of people who use suspicious words in e-mail conversations, the practicle value or threat of it is practically nihl.

'They' may know that i like to talk about DMT on some internetforum...but i don't see the problem.

There probably isn't a problem [yet], just organized databases

Totally agree!

For example I think there are two kinds of people online that think the CIA is after them. People with schizophrenia and people with big ego's that think they're views and knowledge are so important and spectacular that they pose a danger to authorities.

(Don't people with schizophrenia pass higher levels of DMT in their urine...? )

Edit: I do shop online and speak of my experiences online. I also don't necessarily have an entire dye arrangement for the Mimosa--maybe I should? I always wondered if going that far would be smart, or paranoid?

But I would NEVER EVER drunk drive/get into any stupid situation that way. I COULD NEVER sell. Nothing asinine.

I also just aim to live in a way that lets my character speak for itself...

no, researches did not confirm, so this hypothesis was abandoned.

Personally, I tend to agree with Pandora, to a degree, AND house, to a degree, and polytrip, to a degree.

It is always wise to be prudent, but law enforcement agencies DO have MUCH better things to do than come after the likes of us. In fact, busting someone who extracts for personal use would only make MORE people aware of how easily it's done. So it is currently in their best interest to leave us harmless freaks alone. I stress currently - you never know what flotsam and jetsam future tides will wash up.

And while all kinds of data mining algorithms exist to sort through e-mails and social networking sites (why I avoid g-mail AND facebook, incidentally), polytrip has a point that there is just SO MUCH of this data that the needle in a haystack analogy comes to mind - except there are Avogadro's number of pins in an infinite pile of straw!

This is why I like the term spice. It is virtually unmineable. The here beloved SWIM appelation, however... want to find all the people who are engaging in illicit activities - easy enough, they've done the job for you! so SWIMMERS, while you think you might be swimming against the current, you may be falling right into their hands (in a future world scenario where the authorities actually give a shit!)

Wanna be invisible? here's what I do:

-never order online (I have a local shop that I have order all my needs. I pay a premium (his prices), but a little cash in exchange for anonymity sounds like a fair trade to me.)
-never use terms like swim, dmt, lsd (oops - did I just incriminate myself?)
-never use credit/debit cards for purchases
-never buy industrial quantities

Having said this, all these precautions are no more than bike locks. If someone REALLY wants your bike, no kryptonite, chain, or padlock combination will stop them. Insofar as keeping a Dream diary, pandora, I suspect if you're anything like me, by the time they come knocking at your door they will either have amassed enough incriminating evidence against you, or will quickly find enough very direct chemical/biological evidence in your living space that they won't need to peruse your personal writings to build a case against you.

When all is said and done, be prudent, then don't give it another thought. If they want to steal your bike they will. You just have to hope they see the logic and value in stealing cars and motorcycles over bikes... (weak analogy, I know, but you get the point!)

Be safe, cause they're a-comin to getcha!

cheers,
JBArk

fuck that....i like being a bit paranoid..ive stayed out of jail with a little bit in my back pocket...its saved my ass in certain situations..and i think one thing people here are failing to realize is that dmt IS a very illegal drug...we are walking a very very fine line here...personally i think a lot of people need to be more careful...

like when somebody asks me where im from on the chat..i give them the answer...im not going to tell you where i live...what that would do is give authorities GENERAL information about where dmt is being used...and i think the less info i give out..the better off i am

on that note..i have also been plagued with insane amounts of paranoia while using and buying RC's....i dont use or buy them anymore...but i had to get over my paranoia...and for me that was personally one of my greatest achievements...being NOT paranoid is something that just happens because of a post saying you shouldnt be paranoid....not being paranoid is GAINED...after you work out your own system for being safe...

i personally dont think people are taking their freedom very seriously when they think they are safe from the law because they are "only" a home dmt chemist...this shit aint a toy..and i dont think Law Enforcement thinks it is either

I agree with some of your points, wizard. I think a lot of people need to be more careful. Like avoiding the term swim. As previously stated, the irony of a term that is meant to dissimulate identity drawing even more attention to the user is rich.

But not giving out your geographic location? Better safe than sorry, I guess, but your posting here requires an e-mail address from which an IP can be pulled, and once they've got that, they've got everything. Whether we like it or not, we HAVE to rely on them turning a blind eye. They already know who we are. And that is not paranoia.

Paranoia is knowing that they know, but thinking they care, or at the very least that they are going to do something about it on such a small scale.

Than again, I live in Canada (uh-oh, there's that geography thing again ). Maybe things are different where you're from. But wherever your haystack is, remember you're a needle!

cheers,
JBArk

Pandora - give up? I thought I was agreeing with you for the most part!

Sorry if I offended. It wasn't my intention. Just elaborating my perspective which I believe is sort of in alignment with yours, no?

Much respect,
JBArk

I think there is a healthy balance of caution and awareness each individual needs to practice. But saying that if someone becomes over paranoid about every little event or detail, that is definitely not healthy.

If you are thinking about possible eventualities all the time, all you are going to do is draw these events into your life. I have noticed that people who create positive actions and think about positive thoughts have far more positive and happy lives. We tend to generally draw into our lives what we predominately think about so a healthy amount of caution never harmed anyone but a high level of paranoia certainly isn't positive or healthy...


Much Peace and Happiness

Why 20 years?

Is it because we're too young to understand anything in this world?

And we didn't wait as long as you did to enter hyperspace?

I find this reply to be a bit condescending.