The point isnt if anyone specifically needs it, because SOME do. Some want it. Some need it. and SOME should have access to it. Its existance has no indirect or direct harm to you OR anybody here.This video isnt gonna make them say OK NOW DMT IS ILLEGALLLLERRRR! DMT is already illegal. If saying this site is clear about what to do is a good thing then i have missed your entire point. This site is as much in the wrong as those videos...

BOTH Give detailed instruction on how to extract a scheadule 1 chemical
BOTH are easily accessable (simple as creating an account)
BOTH can be found by searching DMT.

I mean in the end This website is doing EXACTLY what the video is doing in TEXT/PARANOID form.
Yes you guys use words like SWIM or that it came to you in a dream. BUT ITS STILL SAID HOW TO DO IT.
I dont see what this site is doing different than the videos?

Its really just coming off as you guys dont like it so you remove it. Its not effecting you..
please just leave it be.
If not
Go tell RR to remove PFTEK videos
Or Casing or anything psilocybe
Flag all the weed smoking videos
Or salvia/nitrous/poppers/ketamine
hell 4/20 is in less than a week that will be heaven for the flag squad.

If you look. Thats all the internet consists of people helping other people do illegal things safely.
SWIM thinks its nothing you guys need to worry about. The videos arnt hurting you...
how bout holding off on the flagging

I just watched 2 of your videos. They were complete shit. terrible and immature. If you had better videos we obviously wouldn't be responding so harshly to your crap! Its common sense.

Below is my reply that i typed out in response to your post BEFORE i saw your videos... I would change alot of it now actually..and probably shorten it to something like "stop posting your retarded dmt and saliva videos on youtube like its fucking cool". Anyway..here's the cheery little reply i wrote before grimacing at these ridiculous vids:


"Now, We do not think somthing like DMT or even salvia should be sold in a store that sells things related to marijuana, This brought alot of confusion to salvia & just exactly what it was. We feel if it had of been kept to ethneogen sites people would have found it by looking for it, Not by going to their local head shop and stumbling apon it. This is somthing to keep in mind."

Their are shops in the world that sell MHRB just so you know.
Salvia's popularity grew rapidly as the videos poured in. MOST were ABSOLUTELY fucking terrible and it makes me so sad even thinking about this misunderstood plant. As more videos of people smoking dmt and making turorials pour in there will be a sharp increase in retarded videos. It will be inevitable that the situation will get very sticky.

"We feel that salvia ended up the way it did because alot of people who bought it did not know what they where getting into. The level of education on salvia when it was first brought out was that of a "legal high" somthing you could get in a head-shop and i think alot of people smoked it when they didnt have pot expecting it to "fill the void"

How do you not see that the same situation could be created for dmt if more and more people see these extraction videos and more and more videos of people sitting there smoking some crystals? Many people will see them and think OH WOW! a drug that gets you suuperr high that you can make soo easily! i need to sell that shit! It will attract negative attention. Why not instead make informative videos on the nature of dmt, its historic use in shamanism, and other interesting things that give it positive attention????? (instead of you and your friends acting like idiots)

Honestly, a tutorial on extracting dmt on youtube is a terrible idea..Once this explodes and grows IT WILL get negative attention one way or another, and this will be a primary cause. I can see the parents of kids now raving on dr. phill how anyone and their brother can extract the most powerful psychedelic in the world.

If people can't understand a simple STB guide and need a video, then they probably shouldn't be doing it in the first place. Its that simple to do.

"I feel that it is the 2nd reason i stated, Videos of inpropper useage. People driving on salvia, Wtf is that ? completely stupid shit like that is what has made salvia become illegal & recive bad attention."

Exactly! That is the entire point!!more and more dumb videos of people smoking dmt will appear and lead to people posting worse and worse videos thus bad publicity. Posting extraction teks and videos of you smoking dmt are going to further this along!

I agree with the cannon. Totally pathetic.

DMT Nexus is a great source of information related to psychedelics in general and DMT in particular.

No one can say that DMT Nexus is trying to hide information about DMT or psychedelics. It's obvious that this community wants to spread knowledge related to DMT and many other kind of hallucinogens. They are doing an excellent job and thanks to the efforts of people like amor_fati, Entropymancer, Noman, Vovin, 69ron, Jorkest and several other chemists, this forum is (in terms of quality) one of the best forums about psychedelics and the best about DMT in the web. Only a real fool would think that they are trying to hide information so that others 'don't know' about certain DMT-related things. Thanks to this forum, a lot of people have successfully extracted large quantities of DMT.

Why do people first search for DMT? There are several reasons, for example... they heard the 'Joe Rogan DMT Video', or they were listening to a Terence McKenna tape, or they were into psychedelics and later in their own adventure heard about DMT, or a friend gave them some... or they just find out by 'coincidence'.

Now, lets see the DMT Nexus forum slogan: "explorations of the spirit molecule".

We know that Dr. Rick Strassman is a 'figure' in the DMT community. He coined the term 'spirit molecule' for DMT and popularized it with his book: "DMT The Spirit Molecule". Anyone can assume that Strassman helped DMT become more popular. I'm pretty sure that made a lot of people happy and a lot of people angry. Anyway, he is a scientist.

And he is determined to make DMT even more popular than it is today (2010). He and several other scientists are promoting new books like 'Inner Paths to Outer Space' and also working in a documentary about DMT with Joe Rogan as narrator. That will (without a doubt) raise awareness about DMT in the American and European population.
That, yet again, will make some people happy and some people angry. The fact that DMT is becoming more popular each day is an undeniable fact.

Some people have suggested that the government will ban MHRB in order to stop the easy DMT Teks that a 15 year old kid could perform in his mother's kitchen if he acquires the materials (all of them easy to get in US or Europe). To prevent that, the same people have suggested that less videos in Youtube about DMT means less arguments against MHRB (which is legal). That is a valid argument, since the Salvia videos are a valid example of how the media and the lawyers can create pressure to prohibit legal entheogenic plants.

So, the three questions that need to be answered are the following:

1- What will be the drop that spills the glass? What will make the government ban MHRB (if ever) to prevent Easy DMT extractions?

a) Viral DMT Youtube Videos
b) Popular DMT Documentaries and Books
c) People selling and buying DMT
d) All of the above


2- To keep DMT Underground and not very popular among naive groups and individuals, we must:

a) Flag Stupid DMT Videos
b) Ask users to be discrete about DMT
c) Smoke more changa
d) It's too late for that


3- In case DMT becomes very popular among teenagers and society at large, we should:

a) Stockpile MHRB
b) Push for legalization with all we've got
c) Pay for a call phone to Strassman and tell him to stop working.
d) Pray

Knowledgestick: I think you are filled with enthusiasm and trying to spread the new gospel all around the world via your YouTube channel. Just like Timothy Leary did with acid. And thanks mainly to his actions, LSD was banned in 1968.

There was another group of psychedelic explorers at the time: Aldous Huxley, Albert Hofmann and the psychedelic psychotherapy movement. These people preferred a slow route, taking small, deliberate steps towards the goal. But the goal was the same: to share the wonder of psychedelics with the world.

The later group was thought to be an "elitist bunch" by the former. I feel this same polarity is resurfacing now, the roles being played by you and your channel on one side and the Nexus on the other.

The second wave of psychedelic awakening is washing over the world now. Psychedelic research is coming back to life again, the legalization of marijuana is on the horizon. The people who are fighting on the front line of this new revolution had learned their painful lessons from the failure of the first wave. They know what's dangerous, what they should avoid: anything that gives an alarm sign to Big Brother that things are getting out of control.

Now think about what your videos may mean to these people, those who have the wide perspective, who can oversee the entire history of the movement. They know that by taking small steps, being cautious and opening the valves as slowly as possible, we have a much higher chance to get to our desired destination, our shared goal, than by hastily running forward. When they see what you're doing, they are alarmed by the irresponsibility. They see that you don't see this wider picture, you only concentrate on what you feel to be right and with your enthusiasm you begin to destroy exactly that thing that you (and we) are dreaming of.

and knowledgestick... would you please change your stated location from 'up dmtnexus ass' to something else? It strikes as immature, disrespectful and doesnt help in establishing mutual understanding that other people here are trying to reach, instead it only reinforces the idea that you are not here for discussing but rather to vent your emotions. If you want reasonable discussion, do your part please.

I've already changed his location for him since it was a bit rude.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

The difference is the form of communication. Youtube is a oneway kind of communication: You simply watch. The nexus is more than pure information, we are here to help newcomers and support them during their sometimes difficult travels. With a youtube Video, you're left alone, you don't get the whole picture. Seeing the whole picture is of dramatic important when it comes to DMT.

And knowledgestick ... who is the "We" you are referring to? It almost sounds like you're trying to use this word in a rethorical way...but be assured, that this community is strongly knit and knows what kind of service it provides to seekers.

Why don't you really try to work with us in "harm reduction" if thats your goal? There are tons of members here who could use your emotional support and extraction advise. You would work 1:1 hand in hand with these peoples and you wouldn't have to make videos endangering the future of this very community.

This topic has been covered very well and in great detail by previous replies, but I would like to add this: When someone seeks to represent your community (in this case, the enthegenic extraction community at large), they are subject to your approval or disapproval. When you disapprove of a representative or manner of representation, it is your right (really, your duty, though not compelled or obligated in such) to campaign for or against that representative or to simply cast your vote. Many facets of the internet work in the same manner, they have such systems in place, and all those concerned have every right to utilize them.

We feel that both sides of the arguement have their positives & negatives to them. On the upside of putting up tutorials, You are introducing a wider audicence to a substance everybody has the freedom to know about, on the negative side you will always have the idiots in human nature who will abuse somthing.

We do not disagree with the points you all make and we can agree with some of them 100%. But there is always another side to that and you guys cannot ignore that fact.

This seems to be true for all things not just DMT. What we can probably both agree on is that this debate could go on forever and we could both keep bringing up good points as to why the others opinion was correct, Do you know what i mean ?

This is somthing i do not want. I dont want to get into a constant arguement with nexus, I can completely see your guys's side of the arguement and instead of getting my youtube channel fucked up that i put all my hard work into it would have been much appreciated if i was approached like a man and spoken too about this maturely, Because like i said, Most of the points you brought up are 100% on spot.

Now lets look at this for a second, I feel there will always be this divide in the psychedelic culture. Because although i agree with almost all the points you raised i still belive it is the right thing to do to put this type of information out there.

I myself am a visual learner, Also did HORRIBLE in high-school science, I did not understand the DMT tek the first 2-3 times i did it, I was mearly following a cooking recipie. If i had a tutorial to watch and see the reactions taking place it would have amplified my ability to absorb that information propperly to do my own exraction safer and better.

Now, There will always be more people out there that will be looking to get high easily EXACTLY like you said. This is unavoidable for anything, But the true question here is now, Is it fair to hamper the ability for those in our culture who ARE visual learners or who are new to science just because there is that bad side to the drug culture ?

Is it fair for them to waste money or to be scared to smoke their final product because people who have done this before them are to scared to put out tutorials in fear the drug will be taken from them ? This remains to be the million dollar question that i dont think any of us truely have the RIGHT answer for. For either side of this arguement to be acting like they are 100% right and take actions because of it is arogent i belive.

I myself, Say no it is not fair and that the information should be free to people. Some of the culture will say no, Because of that side of the drug culture we must not put out video tutorials.


I would never try and stop that side of my culture from having their own opinion about shairing information to the wider public who maybe interested in psychedelics. If they choose not to that is fine, But when it comes to me making my own choice to represent the side of the culture that would infact like to shair that information i would expect to be able to do so, As both side of our culture should shair the comon theme for freedom as it is what our culture was built on.

Attacking my youtube channel & getting my ability to post content suspended for 6 months while we are trying to release a documentary and advertise it is not letting me be free, The people flagging my videos are not embrassing live and let live, Instead it is a form of control that i do not appreciate.

As i said i would never try and stop those who feel the information should be kept behind closed doors, But i would expect the same level of respect and to be left alone as we do what we feel is right.


I want to get over this in a way both sides of this culture are satisfied. We are going to keep doing what we do regardless, But if you DMT nexus tell us what to keep out of our tutorials or other videos, Things that would upset you most then we will honestly try to abide by that.

I can say right now putting up our older videos was probably a mistake, This was content we where putting up to collect more subscribers as we where working on our new content from taking a break for quite some time, This could have been a mistake as you guys pointed out, We where kids back then. We have much more mature content now with very educational material within it. We also have videos of people having fun and enjoying themselfs as they should. But the comon theme now is responsibility and education.

We honestly want to work in tandom, There should not be in fighting inside the psychedelic culture like a group of politicians.

The most reciant one was that of a salvia research study we where conducting with people who where actually tripping out responsibliy and we where collecting real data. But like i said there is now a vendetta with certain people on hear who are flag happy with every video i have on my youtube trying to destroy my channel.

-andrew

Very good point and i never looked at it like this, Maybe you all can read the post i just submitted above this as i somewhawt covered maybe getting a OK before posting up videos, Or atleast figureing out what is upsetting you guys most and keeping that clear from our content so that in a way when we are "representing" the community you guys feel we are doing it in a propper light.

I would like to make it very clear right now that we are in 100% agreence with you all when it comes to the irrisponsible use of salvia, Or any other substance on youtube. I belive that if any of you truely have looked at my channel or videos or video descriptions you will honestly see we are about safety and harm reduction.

We will NEVER i repeat never promote videos of people doing things irrisponsibly with drugs & we will be sure to ban people from our channels for that type of behaviour as we are just as disgusted with the negative representation of drugs as you guys are. I think the big miss-understanding here, Is you all thought we where on the other side of the fence just making videos and being retards without giving us a chance, Hell in some of our old videos we came off like immature kids having fun but that is what we where, The video descriptions on those made it clear to people to stay responsible and safe.

Now that is out of the way, Lets hear from you guys what you would like to see/not see in our upcomming tutorials & content in order for us all to get along and make this culture prosper.

I am glad this topic has turned into a healthy debate, From this thread i was very scared this was going to turn into an absolute gong show

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...&m=136235#post136235

I was sure alot of people would not expect the type of person i am, Thus instantly flaming & acting like idiots but to those who have brought up good points and turned this thread into somthing worth reading i truely thank you all !

-andrew

Thank you for restating your position knowledgestick. I think you can see from the responses here that the nexus is filled with thoughtful, articulate and respectful people some of whom may disagree with you but most of whom will consider your arguments and concerns seriously if you approach them with the same respect. This should be a dialogue, not an argument. While I disagree with a lot of your points,I am much more likely to consider them seriously given your change of tone. You might want to revisit and add to/edit your initial post, or you are likely to continue getting defensive replies from those who read it it and post without reading on. It really was an attack on us, and I think in retrospect, you have to agree that even the most vehement of responses was justified. I have said enough.
Good luck,
JBArk

This is a very good post and i think we are both talking of the same polarity in my last post & what you are speaking about there, Where we need to be differant is to see eye to eye and to work together as much as possible. Not argue or look at each others methadolagy or ideals as incorrect. I am sure a happy-medium can be found.

I really tryed to tone it down as much as possible after being attacked in the posts in this thread

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...&m=136235#post136235

by a few of your members i was quite upset at the immature attitude they took towards dealing with the situation before i had ever even posted on here. I apolojise to anybody i had offended by it i will do my best to trim it down and clean it up, If anything offencive remains please let me know and i will fix it up.
( MODS FEEL FREE TO TRIM IT UP BUT PLEASE LEAVE THE JIST OF IT SO IT CAN BE UNDERSTANDABLE )

As you stated this needs to be a dialog and i am glad one has formed.

Thank you, Somebody pointed this out to me and i apolojize. You beat me to changing it I thought i would recive the ban hammer for that post and you guys would not recive it with open minds & a forum for discussion. I hope you can somewhat understand where i was comming from after reading the posts in this thread

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...&m=136235#post136235

I should not have pre-judged the lot of you, But it was my mistake and kind of like the "fuck you" ontop of the post. Again, I apolojize to anybody it offended.

^^^^what she said.

I belive you either have not got the point of what i am trying to say or you have not read this post entirely. If you are referring to our older videos i have already accepted & stated many times that posting those was a mistake.

Our new content is aimed towards harm reduction & education. Nobody made me god of anything and i do not feel i am "meant" to post up anything. But if nobody else will do it, Then i will. I am not somebody who feels like some type of "leader" of anything i just like to help people & do what i can for my culture to make it safer for people following the same path i have taken.

I know when i first made DMT i would have killed for a video tutorial of one of the experts from thease boards showing me how to do it i would have saved a lot of money, Had a more plesant experiance overall.

Like i stated in one of my posts up above here and somthing you just touched on again. There are 2 polaritys in the psychedelic culture one that feels this information should be shared, One who does not think the same. This divide will always be present so i think it is time we get over that and begin somthing more constructive, Witch is deciding what content would be acceptable, etc. As a hole community working together we will be much stronger & better off than constantly debating this age old arguement that will always remain.

I for one say we move on and better our culture the best we can taking methadolagy from both of our ideals & combining it into a middle-ground we can all agree on. Does this not sound like a deciant idea?

You know, I haven't talked to any of the other mods, but I believe that members are allowed to post pics and video here. Knowledgestick, why don't you post your video here, so that those who are visual learners can have access to it.

Doing this will also bring them to the forum where they can read on what DMT really is, what it does, and how it can affect a person, both before and AFTER smoking.

On youtube, there is no place for these explanations, no place for back and forth discussion. It's not the knowledge that we fear spreading, it is the wrong people trying to use that knowledge AND GETTING HURT. They will bring bad attention to our community and to the plants we hold so dear.

On this forum, I cannot remember how many times people have asked if they can use DRAINO in place of NaOH (lye).

On youtube they can't ask... would you smoke xtals made by this person? I wouldn't. And if they end up in the ER, who is that kid gonna blame....he's gonna blame knowledgestick's video. Is mommy going to be angry at her son or daughter, yes, but she's gonna be MORE upset at the video and at DRUGS. I can bet that mainly she's going to be very worried and very angry at the the worst drug of all that hurt her child...DMT.

Can you see where I'm going with this? This is just 1 senerio out of hundreds I can think of, driving on DMT, mishandeling lye and becoming blind, etc....

Just things to think about.

We're all in favor of informing people about DMT and other entheogens as well. That's a major goal that many of us here share. But care must be taken in how we go about this. After all, what's the point of informing people if in the same stroke, we lay the groundwork for destroying everyone's easy access to these substances?



If you didn't understand the tek you were using, why didn't you ask questions? There are many forums around where knowledgeable people are willing to answer questions. I must admit I'm skeptical of your professed support for harm-reduction if you were willing to attempt to extract DMT without even understanding what you were doing. That strikes me as terribly reckless.

You've mentioned that a video could make it so people wouldn't be unsure of the material that they extracted, that they'd be able to consume it with confidence. That's simply NOT true, and it's important to recognize this. At best you will give them a false bravado that only encourages recklessness. For the extracted spice to be safe to use, the right materials have to be used. Take your video for example, where you show Draino being used as the base! Drano is not safe to use, and hasn't been for many years; there's all kinds of other stuff besides NaOH in there that you don't want in your extraction.

You can't ask a video, "Will [such-and-such] solvent work? Is it safe to use?" Especially if your target audience is people who aren't comfortable with chemistry, it's absolutely vital to have an interactive medium (like a forum) where people can pose their idiosyncratic issues and questions, where they can confirm that what they are doing is safe.

If harm reduction is your goal, I simply can't understand how you think a youtube video is going to accomplish it to ANY degree.





You are able to do so. But you don't own youtube. As long as you're spreading your message on someone else's medium, it's subject to their control. One of their controls is the ability to flag videos. If we see videos that are not responsibly informative, that put our entire community at risk of losing the ready access we have to the materials we hold dear, then of course we're going to flag it. You don't see us flagging trailer's for Strassman's movie, or videos where McKenna talks about DMT, or interviews with Jonathan Ott on the subject. Because they present the message and information responsibly, in a way that doesn't threaten our entire community.

Why should we "live and let live" when someone is threatening a central aspect of our way of life? We believe that people should have access to DMT, and although it's not your intention, your videos put that in extreme jeopardy. So of course we flag them. We have a vested interest, and we're protecting it. We aren't keeping information behind closed doors... if you explore this site some more, I think you can clearly see that we're all for disseminating information. We just recognize the need for care in how we go about disseminating it, to protect everyone's ability to utilize the information.

The "I've got mine so fuck you Jack" approach doesn't hold much water with most of us.





I'd say keep extraction videos off of youtube, if you honestly value harm-reduction. Youtube extraction vids are only going to lead to more people doing more dangerous things and harming themselves, bolstered by a false bravado they derive from having seen a video and thinking "Damn that's simple, nothing can go wrong!"

The things that upset us are irresponsibility and recklessness. Good informative videos about DMT are fine when approached from a stance of integrity and responsibility. Showing people smoking DMT does not seem to be in any way productive, all it serves to do is fuel the evening news with video-clips of the "dangerous new drug that's killing your kids" like it did with salvia.

We're not opposed to all youtube videos on DMT. Only the reckless and irresponsible ones, the ones that place our entire community in jeopardy. Those are the ones that will continue to be flagged relentlessly.