Ok so i did the cook with pre powdered bark from Cel. Source.

Instead of doing 2 kilos, i did 500 grams.

I covered the bark over like it said with an inch above the bark.. did all my cooks and added water as it evaped.. then i evaped it down after.

The handbook didnt say how much water to mix with my lye before adding, so i just did a good amount and added 75 grams of lye.

I didnt pour all of the liquid in, i just added it to my bark water untill it reached a PH of 13.

My pulls from that were ice, and no dmt.

So then i heated up the naptha and bark solution, and added more from my dropper as before so the ph could go up, the PH papers got black, I got some spice from this but barley even enough for a hit.

Then i added 750 ml water and 50 grams of lye, like the NOMANS tech said ( thinking i needed more water and lye, instead of just raising my barks PH.

So now my pulls have been more successful, but in one dish i think ICE is there again.. i havent let any water in, other than the root bark/lye solution.

Ive noticed that heat everything helps alot.

PLEASE let me know what to do, i think i should be getting more dmt out of 500 GRAMS of bark from CELESTIAL..

***** Do i need more water and lye? or just lye? Does too much lye kill the dmt, or will it help to push more into my naptha layer?

Thanks for the help guys, the dmt book leaves some things out, but other than that it wasnt too bad.

Anyone?

I am not familiar with celestial, if its good bark.. that is one possibility of being the problem

also, you dont say how much naphtha you are using, it could very well be you are using way too much naphtha and your solvent isnt saturated enough when you stick it in the fridge (considering thats what you are doing, because you neither specify if you are evapping or freezing). Also are you making many agitations/stiring/mixes before pulling the solvent out each time?

pH 13 should be plenty for dmt to be freebased and to move into the non-polar layer. I dont think that is your problem but yeah you can add more lye, lye doesnt hurt dmt.

1) are you covering your naphtha while it is in the freezer? If not you might be picking up water (ice) there.

Also, It sounds like you are having a real hell of a time with STB, nice time try and A/B and I am guessing you won't have these problems.


That's all I got, sorry, I don't do STB's anymore.

No this was with the dmt handbook, which is a/b, i did a cook.

I'm using about 200ml's of naptha like it said, but i dont put it all in one dish, and i did evap down before, but recently since i upped my ph, by adding mor ewater/lye ive seen better results..

still got ice recently in one dish, more this time i think.. i have both dishes covered well.

And yes i shake well, i heat up the nap. and the bark jug, well. layers seperate very well.

Someone on the shroomery said i should try STB.. so now im confused

and i dont think its the amount of naptha really, caus ethis time around i used about the same amount, but got more crystals, since upping the lye/water..

The crystals are floating and sticking to the bottom now, looks like white grains of salt

THANKS for your time and help guys!, Mad love

and all i know is that with 500 grams of powdered bark, i should be getting at least a gram haha.. there must be a way to get it out still right?

Did you say you only did one cook? If so, I'm sure there's more left in the bark.

Your question is kind of difficult to answer because your posts make it hard to decipher exactly what you've done.

You should be getting 1%, atleast.

How many naptha pulls did you do? 1x200ml or say 4x50ml?

I did 1x200

& I did two cooks, and then evaped the liquid down.

2 cooks might not be enough, is the bark thrown out (though it should be a big part of the alks with two). How long did you cook, did you add acid? as for the pull, 1x200 might not be saturated enough.. maybe evap half and freeze again ?

dont know what else to suggest

Two cooks of new water? You might need more.

Also, you should have done more smaller naptha pulls. The naptha is not saturated enough for the spice to fall.

Then after you have pulled all the naptha pulls, evap it down a bit, till it getts cloudy when you blow on it, then cover the pyrex dish, or what ever you using for freeze precip, cover the dish with clingwrap, twice. Freeze.

There should be a snowglobe in there in the morning, supposing the freezer is high enough. Unwrap a section of the clingwrap and pour out the naptha and cover again, then after an hour or so, unwrap the dish and let the xtals dry.

Thanks guys!! Much help. I will try all these suggestions.. i think i just need to do more pulls, but now that i did add more lye and started heat everything up again for the seperation/pulls i have noticed greater success.


I have much more crystals this morning guys, a bit more yellow looking this time, as well as the naptha on this pull.

Im gonna do more pulls with less napth.

And yes i did two cooks, used acid.. did it for as long as the handbook said.. i didnt do the third cook because it got all dark and i still had to evap it down by half like the handbook said..

but shitt i used powder bark and 500 grams, i should get something right haha

as for the ice, i just use those tight fitting rubber lids that come with the pyrex dishes, maybe the saran is what would keep the freeezer moist air out?