I tried it yesterday again.
I spoke with enthusiasm and clear and postive words.
And i got at least not the feeling to be pushed to a bad feeling.
i guess it's all about the presentation and the conciliated feeling. And of course, self-control. Not letting others drag you in a negative image of yourself. (hope that was the right word, im not native-english speaking)

I feel your pain Mr_DMT. The sad truth of the matter is that people are going to believe what they want to believe, regardless. Their whole modus operandi is, "Don't bother me with the facts, my mind is made up". Presentation won't amount to much in these matters. Unfortunately no amount of intelligently articulated enthusiasm is going to sway them.

Simply stated, There are people who 'get it' (entheogenic users, metaphysicists, you, me, etc.) and those who will NEVER get it, in their current lifetime. You can only go so far with people before their belief systems take over (in conjunction with fear mechanisms). Sometimes you just have to let the chips fall where they may, and move on to more open individuals. I just happen to be in a part of the country where no one gets it. Perhaps it was planned that way before I came here, who knows (higher self does, that's who, he he).

I've been through the same ordeal many times, since most people are so alike. Now, I just mention enough to gauge whether or not they are genuinely interested. If not, then I just drop the subject immediately and don't push it onto them. Beware though, when stating the obvious, others will try to project their own maladjusted self-image onto you as a retaliatory strike fueled by bitter disagreement, envy, and fear. These people know who they are. Once your views get under their skin, they will proceed to wage a smear campaign against one in an attempt to kill the messenger.

They will often try playing the "didn't mean to offend you" card. That is a favourite tactic among those types whom FE, myself, and others refer to in this thread. They will subtly accuse you of being condescending, while trying to project their own inadequacies on to you. That will get them nowhere in life, even if they profess to playing "devil's advocate".

Isn't it amazing how people will turn on you, especially when their views are in disagreement.

I really do believe that presentation means everything when conversing with non or ill-informed non-entheogenic individuals. Obviously that person's pre-conceived notion of psychedelics ties in strongly to your ability to convey the right meaning/message... as does your mode of conversing (is it brought up by another? or is this a candid conversation).

At the end of the day all you can hope for is respect and understanding. I think that's possible (in the right context) with alot of people that would typically make you think otherwise. It's all in the approach when it comes to less accepting people.

Yea the trick is not to be arrogant to arrogant or otherwise ingnorant people.

They who have not experienced how silly and small they really are.. and those who think they are overall better than others, or feel 'choosen', want not and will not be told about the bias of human species. Because it will undermine who they think they are. It will erode their reality, their beliefs about truth, and their identity based on those beliefs. Most people as such dont like the feeling of uncertainty. Most people need a (fake) solid basis.

One should respect this to be effective when communicating with these people, for whatever purposes.

I concur with you, Virola78.

Your signiture applies succinctly to the message of my recent posts. From the negative PM's I've been receiving, it seems certain people here have been taking my words out of context. I'll be the first one to say that translating my thoughts into words is very challenging (I'm a visual non-linear thinker). What I wrote can be interpreted in a number of different ways. People perceive things differently. What is presented confidently or by matter-of-fact to one person will appear arrogant to another (or even condescending).

Even if I were to lay out the reality of the matter, the facts are that society has been so conditioned and brainwashed by such things as TV, the so-called "education" system, and peers to think of psychedelics as some scary mind-melting substance from the dark underworld which will instantly turn you into a criminal if you use them. This was all done intentionally by the powers-that-be because they know very well the transformative power of these substances. After all, they know beacuse they use them too!

But they don't want US to be using them. And if you do use them, and they find out about it, you will be put away for life in 5x8 concrete box. The fear factor resulting from the intimidation by "the law" (who btw are the really arrogant ones), and ostracising by family/peers, and the apprehension about what the actual substances "will do to them" is enough to convince most people to stay away from psychedelics. They are the ones who are NUTS, and those people need to grow a pair of NUTS, and say fuck this shit, Im going to do what I want with whatever substance I want, and to hell with what they think.

well said, Jumper.
I like your posts. You seem to be an intelligent person.

The problem in this society is, that you have to adjust your ideas to the norm.
If you don't do that, you are by definition a weirdo, a man who is somehow strange and not really part of society.
Brainwashing did the job.

I don't even know 1 single person due to this fact who uses psychedelics intelligently.

I'm a self-declared nut. There's no doubt about it.

Yeah man, me too. And I'm happy about it!

This is so true. People have such a herd-like mentality, and anything out of their narrow-minded-societal-defined box is considered crazy. There's really nothing you can do about close-minded people -- they have to want to know more, but since they don't possess the desire, there's nothing in it for them to be motivated to try.

Whenever I have relevant visionary material that needs to be communicated, I tell people I had a dream (and then proceed with story generally unedited).

I do have tons of crazy REM dreams, too, so I'm just an imaginative chick with awesome dream recall. People LOVE the stories and have a field day digging into the symbology.

My bit of advice is: no matter how amazing you think what you have learned is, whenever you want to communicate ideas to other people, they will absolutely shut down and shut you out if you let your brain do the talking instead of the heart. Numbers, facts, statistics, no one absolutely gives a shit as we are all overloaded with information constantly anyway, but when you come from a place of compassion, empathy, sense of community and relation, people will perk up and resonate instantly.

I have lots of practice with subjects that have a high potential for creating divisiveness, being a raw vegan (most of my sentiments are essentially Jain, though I still do eat carrots ). The vegans who preach statistics and scream, "ALL THE MEAT EATERS SHOULD DIE!!" don't make it very far, socially. I know others, though, who go to slaughterhouses just to listen to the people who work there and help them vent and decompress from a total place of compassion, and these are the people that truly inspire me.

So, there ARE WAYS to talk about hyperspatial ideas with other people. It may require a certain subtlety of language. But, everyone dreams, and it is generally socially accepted that ANYTHING GOES in dreams, and they are very fun to interpret.

(The Nexus is still the only place I would risk raving about extractions. )

I don't really mind people thinking I'm crazy. I am who I am and if people cant handle that they can just fuck off.

"Simply stated, There are people who 'get it' (entheogenic users, metaphysicists, you, me, etc.) and those who will NEVER get it, in their current lifetime."

This is so true. It is sad, very sad, but oh so true.

Some people just don't want to hear it. You can quickly tell with most people. And, of course the old saying "you can't teach an old dog new tricks," is somewhat true. Often when I offer a psychedelic to a friend they turn down the offer. Some people love to hear me ramble on about chemistry, dosage, extraction, etc. Some people I wouldn't dare even mention the word "psychedelic" to, like my great grandmother, my doctor, or an officer on active duty. Some people would look down on you. Some people would worry that you might be living a bad lifestyle.

When my brother talks to me about football, I'm not interested and I don't even try to be interested. It's sports; I don't believe, I will ever have a full-blown enjoyable conversation about football. It just isn't gonna happen. So, think of it that way.

A friend came to visit, that I hadn't seen in years. I was afraid that he would think of me as crazy, or at least that my lifestyle was crazy. He ended up trying some 2C-D and some mescaline for the first time. He thoroughly enjoyed it. He actually told me he was impressed. He liked the idea that I wasn't a "dealer," that I grew and extracted most of my "drugs," that I kept notes and did my research, etc. It made me feel good, when he told me that.

Heal, don't deal.

haha I remember trying to explain an ayahuasca trip to a girl once that I had, and I had to pretend that it was just a dream that I had..otherwise she might have thought I was nutz..lately though I just dont care and will tell people I drank a psychedelic tea

So true.

I had a dream...

Declare yourself nuts.....catch-22 solution.