Has anyone else ever spoke 2 or felt the very real presence of dead relatives or people while in hyperspace. I never have but my girl claims last time that she definitely felt the presence of her dead dad, he was behind a wall and they(her and the 2 spirits guiding her) wernt allowed to go there, so they went on a beautiful carousel ride instead. She believes that it was his presence and he was there.

On another instance a friend the first time smoking it became quite freaked out about 2 min into it...wasnt the worst thing but could tell she jus had that look on her face an i was like shut your eyes aint it beautiful and she was like no i didnt like what i saw. She didnt tell me but two months later she told me what she saw...she had seen and communicated tho not with words with her dead grandma. she asked her grandma if she was dead and she replied No...i take it this is when she opened her eyes.

any one else...

yes SWIM has. not with DMT as much as with psilocybin however. SWIM has no idea what to make of these experiences as they have profound implications if true and if false.

mind goin into detail...did u kno them, what happend etc if u can

SWIM remembers the first time it happened he was on ketamine. saw the "souls" of all the dead and then one came out of this swirling mass and it was the "soul" of SWIMs grandmothers. the swirling mass was purplish and the soul took on this shape however the only non purplish color came from the eyes which were green like SWIMs grandmother or so SWIM thinks from SWIMs memory.

the second time it happened was on a high dose of psilocybin extract. SWIMS uncle has recently passed away maybe a couple months before. SWIM "heard" voices that were coming from SWIMs own mind. the humor and things that were said were certainly the types of things that SWIM would suspect his uncle to say. felt like something was moving through the hall ways etc.

the third time was again on psilocin and as SWIM was peaking in the forest he laid down and felt a deep connection building with something and then felt and again heard the collective presence of SWIMs grandfather grandmother and uncle all comforting and reassuring SWIM. it was deeply moving.

although this kind of thing has not happened on DMT SWIM certainly sees the potential for such an experience. high doses of DMT sometimes freak SWIM out so he is not yet comfortable enough in that space.

SWIM does not know what to make of these experiences. SWIM is not religious at all and his scientific training makes him very suspect of the meaning behind these experiences.

Hope its ok me relaying her experience. But this one swimmer who tried the spice, had a rough entry. 'I can't breath.' as she is taking slow steady breaths, only asurance swims can give her is to take slow deep breaths, close her eyes, and she is fine. But we all know this advice has minimal help once the fuse is lit. The other jumper, her friend and not totally new, is having a typical medium level experience.

She is in trance for nearly 40 minutes, long after her friend is back, we are getting somewhat worried, but aside from her catatonic state she seems ok. She comes out rather abruptly. A little disoriented for a few seconds, asking what did I do? Swim believe he started to answer, 'You have just smoked DMT', and is stoped there, 'I know that, what did I do while I was out.' chuckles and explanations that she had not moved. The breathing fear was claimed to be caused by she could to feel herself breathing. She then told us what happend.

Her dead father pulled her out of her body and was happy to see her. He then placed his hands on her shoulders and turned her around, sending disapointment, and showed her, her life. She was really emphasizing his disapoinment, normally Swim will try to stay as neutral as possible when talking so someone about their experience during the after glow, but she seemed to be asking for a handle. So Swim proded, perhaps you could change or do things in your life that would not be so disapointing. No hesitation in answering yes. Swim pushed no further here. A fried feast was prepaired and the night was over.

During the conversation Swim sliped it the 'would you try it again'. She said that when it was first coming on she thought to herself 'I am never doing this again', but now she would, though not for a long time.

Funnily, or perhaps not so, this night kinda reminded Swim, of that 5-TOM chapter in THIKAL, always expect the unexpected.