As I read throught many posts, it seems that some people do stop working with spice.

Im interested to know why.

Was it because of health concerns from home-made extractions ?

Was it because it had nothing more to teach you ?

Was it because because it was an addiction ?

Please share.

Hi Hypnos,

I stopped for 5 weeks straight last December/January. Then for 5 more weeks, I hardly touched it at all.

I am currently using.

I stopped back then because I had had a series of very difficult/challenging experiences and was starting to manifest negative symptoms in my everyday life. It was time for a serious integration break.

Things are much better now and I'm glad I did it. I have no doubt that for me, the work with spice comes in cycles and that such a break, perhaps a longer one, will be necessary again in the future.

Peace & Love,
Pandora

Swim stopped smoking straight spice only because it didnt feel good on his lungs (asthma), Changa or enhanced leaf seems to be more manageable for him. Like Pandora said working with spice can have cycles. Swim is still integrating a pharma journey from months ago. The spice will call to you when its time to venture back into the unknown.

I think this is more of why did you take DMT in the first place. After a period of time you will either accomplish your goals or give up on this path. DMT is just one of many experiences one should undertake. At some point you need to move on. I havent experiemented with it in years. I do enjoy the community as they tend to be of the same mindset as I am and it is good to interact with people who are on the same path.

"Why did you stop smoking DMT?"

priorities, and respect for the compound (avoid being jaded)
same reason swim doesn't do mushrooms all the time.

Dreamer stopped smoking because:

1. He didn't need it anymore- it was used for healing and it did its job.
2. He had enough experiences for a lifetime during his 50-odd experiments.
3. He did not think further experiences would give further insight.
4. Smoking probably isn't healthy. He is now a health freak because DMT made him realise how precious life is so he wants as much of it as possible.
5. The launch can feel like too much, sometimes too intense due to the rapid propulsion into hyperspace weirdness (this "what the fuck" experience doesn't have to be experienced many times to learn from it), and he wonders if too much such stress is compatible with maintaining optimal health. He now prefers the slower onset of other methods of ingestion, and the regulation of heartbeat etc provided by ayawaska etc.
6. There is no historical precent for smoking lots and lots and lots of DMT to be confidently considered healthy (unlike positive historical use of ayawaska).
7. Terrence got a brain tumour, eek. Note that is not thought of as related but makes Dreamer wary nevertheless.
8. Dreamer's spicemaking skills may not be removing all impurities.
9. It's too short for him now, so he's switched to other methods of ingestion. Fed up of having to leave female entities just when they're getting frisky
10. He is in complete awe of smoked DMT. He respects the experience and even fears it a little.

He will smoke again one day if he ever feels the need, of course. Don't read this as meaning you shouldn't try smoking DMT. You definitely should!

i didn't..... nor will i...

L&G!!

Because SWIM has no more left to vape.

Stop smoking permanently?

I havent yet

Recently gave it a rest for about 10 days. Needed to integrate, learn lessons, and pay due attention to my life on this plane. Ultimately, the journey is here, right now. We can visit There, but we must bring it back Here in our lives.

That's what they tell me anyways ... and I have learned to listen.

I stopped for a bit 'cause I had a few experiences that scared the crap out of me...

It can be a little disconcerting to realize that reality isn't at all what you thought it was.

I did, however, just come back from a big bowl of changa, so I guess I didn't really stop, just paused.

Pokey

I think I'd be absolutely sure that DMT is a benevolent thing if "they" would advise someone to stop using it. Trip reports usually indicate the opposite ( "Smoke more!" ).

well, there have been reports on here of people being told not to return. Lyricist Tom Hunter reported this as having happened to him after many journey's for example.

I don't think I'd ever describe it as 'benevolent', and yet it's not necessarily malevolent either. Ime, if you come at it respectfully, you get great benefit, even if the journey is difficult. I've never been told directly to 'smoke more', though often I feel it is calling me back In very strongly. Equally, there are times when it does NOT want me to visit; that has been the case recently.

There are many reports of people having terrifying experiences - JBark, for example - often as a result of taking too much or going in too often. A friend of mine started becoming a little obsessed with it, going In every available opportunity, and he told me it was as if he was 'levelling', as you would when you get stuck into a video game; trying to bust through to the next level, if you get me. He got an almighty spanking Inside, and stayed away for months.

So, in a way, I think this is how They tell us to stop using it.

Once, I was concerned whether it was good or evil. I went In with this question in my mind. At first, I was shown such joy and love, I had no doubt hyperspace was entirely Good. The next part of the journey was populated by the most hideously pure evil entities I have ever encountered, in a darkness that was pure horror. My conclusion was that it is neither good nor evil - that value is determined by ourselves and our intentions upon entering.

much love

Thanks, 88, you gave a lot of hints.

Stan Grof said that these drugs are like the microscope for biology, or the telescope for astronomy: their value depends on the human using them.

I specifically came up with this question here again, because in the case of DMT there seems to be a teaching aspect involved, as if one would build a relationship with a bunch of entities in hyperspace. Of course, it may be all in the mind - and then the qualities of these entities are also *only* projections of the mind -, but my question was put from the perspective that they may be independently existing beings. In that case, it's an interesting question whether what they are doing with us is good or bad or how can we find this out.

(I know that the only way to decide this is to go in and see it for myself. And even then, my answer will be only mine.)

Although i do know that i wont be able to use DMT forever, i dont think i will be stopping for quite some time.

The greatest thing about spice though is that even after one good breakthrough, that feeling of better overall unde3rstanding of the universe seems to stick around for good.

I would guess that for the experienced shaman, after a certain amount of trips into hyperspace one could re-enter some of those realms through deep meditation without the use of spice.

Yes, it's a good question, and one that I also puzzled over for some time.

My ex-partner is Christian. Interestingly, she never questioned my assertion that I was engaging in a symbiotic relationship with other consciousnesses; but she was really disturbed by this, and felt I was taking a huge chance with my soul, engaging with something whose intentions were opaque to me. Though I am not a Christian, her concerns, voiced in love, did become my concerns as well.

Of course, in any symbiosis, both symbiants must gain something from the exchange - I felt I was gaining understanding and healing, but I could never define what I was giving in return. This uncertainty is highlighted in my journeys by a recurrent experience of the entities wanting to get inside my mouth. Sometimes they are of a form that is friendly and curious, and so I allow them entry; but on occasion very dark beings have tried to force their way into me with a naked hunger; and this is a very uncomfortabel and unsettling experience.

Lately, I have allowed them into me, willingly, and the experience has been overwhelmingly positive. I still do not know what it is They want from me; I think Terence MccKenna said something along the lines of, ""I require a mammalian nervous system - do you have one handy?" which I would like to think is true, but truly I do not know what price I pay for access to their realm.

However, it is an uncertainty that I have come to accept.

much love

This question is fascinating. It seems that by the time you find out their intentions the consequences of letting them in would already have happenned, be it positive or negative.

So far it doesnt seem like people who have used spice seriously for a while did receive major real-life problems instead of healing.

Yeah. I don't want to hide the possibility that I may ruin my life with this. So I have a choice: red pill or blue pill. And if I consciously choose the red pill, with all its possible consequences, then I'm freed from thinking about the problem. I give my life for a dream. If it becomes reality, all is well. If I get to hell, no surprise either.

(But what about those whom we leave behind?)

I agree with you. I've found it has changed me, and though change is often difficult, this has been change that was wanted and needed - so I am grateful and feel the overall result of 'taking the blue pill' has been overwhelmingly positive.