I've got following problem.
Every time i talk about my experience in hyperspace to people who don't trip, they think I'm crazy

What to do about it?
Dont talk at all?
But sometimes I want to talk about that stuff, but I don't know enough people who do psychedelics.


Maybe I should try to find some

Isn´t that one reason why the nexus is here?

Dont talk to the average person about hyperspace.

Find some people that can relate to what you experience, or use the nexus and the chat.

sure, but it is not direct. Even the chat is not "real" enough to really interact directly.

Voice chat would be quite a neat update for the regular chat.

People will think you are crazy if you bring up hyperspace and they have no knowledge about DMT. It makes sense because it DOES sound crazy. I would probably think you were crazy if I didn't know anything about psychedelics and you told me about your hyperspace experiences.

One price you have to pay as a psychonaut is social alienation on some level. Share with the nexus or I would suggest choosing one close friend to share with and gradually make him/her more comfortable talking to you about it.

I tell people about the stuff I have done and they call me nutz too. But when I tell people here they also call me nutz. WTH do you do when crazy people think your nuts.

I second the voice chat / ??webcam??

maybe we should beef our chat up.

I think talking to people who havent experienced it is fun. my wifes friend came by about an hour after I had come off a breakthrough, and I was of course jelly and relaxed, and ready to spew my thoughts everywhere, She enjoyed learning about what I saw, but was scared that it was possible to get to a point like that. I think its just up to the person talking to not delve too deep into hyperspace, and for the person listening to have a least a little interest in psychotherapy through hallucinogens.

Hi Mr_DMT,

I think we all feel you here. I completely agree with gammagore and 970Codfert (especially his second paragraph).

Peace & Love,
Pandora

who cares what people think..Most people that would call me nutz are same ones that cant be bothered to recycle or compost things, like being robots force fed the same lines over and over again by the media and cant seem to have a single thought that they produce for themselves.

You think I give a shit what these people think?..IMO these people are the real problem on this planet and we'd all be better off without the footprint they leave behind for us. These are the real crazy people, who continue on with the same old repiticous patterns of the past, even though they seem to have failed the first time around.

I honestly think that in todays world, if every single person agrees with you and wants to be your friend..you have been kissing some serious ass..when you speak your mind it's impossible to not have people opposed to you.

Exactly my thoughts.

I agree fractal, nice post.

MR_DMT-Their probably going to think your crazy until they've experienced it for themselves, so i wouldn't let it get to you. I will say that I do find its good to ease into the subject of psychedelics before getting to the topic of dmt and hyperspace..it helps to come off as a person who really knows what their talking about before you go off about trips to other dimensions

Mr_DMT,


Technically you are crazy. Your thoughts are highly divergent from the norm.

I've decided to write a book regrading these thoughts so we may directly show how they align with normal society. This book will be very long and will need many small "normal steps" to bring the reader into the realm of crazy.

PM me if you'd like to help.

@Fractal Enchantment

Excellent post, F.E.! Took the words right out of my mouth. Thanks for writing that, brother. Outside of the Nexus, swim never talks about any of his spice experiences due to the fact that people would never take it seriously, let alone make sense of it. They have never lent a genuinely interested ear to me anyway. It has been very difficult for me to relate to most people, since my thinking is what they consider to be "way out there". I am light-years ahead of the pack, and they sometimes can sense it. And that has made people to be nervous or hostile around me for no good reason. As such, I am always given flack about most things I talk about, and so tend to get frustrated and consequently give up on sharing what I know. Nowadays, Talking to most people seems like a waste of time and energy. Like talking to a brick. Occasionaly I'll throw a bit of something into a convo, just to see if they "get it". Most times they do not.

Around this pathetic town in which I live, I observe what people are talking about, and it's always the same inane mindless drivel. (yeah, I realise it's because they are ignorant, but it's not my job to "enlighten" them.) Those unfortunate types of people you speak of, I refer to them as "The Traditionalists" or "The Tele-zombies". You know the types. There are times when I deliberately say things that I know people will have a hard time with, just for the kick of seeing their reaction. It never fails to make me laugh.

Not a shred of original thinking from them. And the really sad part is that most of amerika is like that. They will reactively agree with the mainstream and each other without 2nd thought, and spew their nauseating groupthink conformist feces, and they will actually believe each other's nonsense as holy gospel!

However, It seems like everytime _I_ talk about ANYTHING, there is suddenly massive conflict. "Oh, how dare you....", or "OMG... did you just hear what he said", or "Hey, who do you think you are...". Well, I'll tell you who I am Mr and Mrs Amerikan Idiots, I am your worst fucking nightmare because I speak my mind and I don't give a shit what people think about me. In my life I have been called every name you can imagine (and some you can't) so it doesn't faze me. Whenever people call me a nutcase or a freak, or give me derision about my ways, I just smile and give myself a good pat on the back because that tells me I'm doing something right and I'm on the right track.

I agree that you shouldn't care what people think about you. But looking down on people is not a good thing.

I feel like playing devil's advocate a bit, so don't take it personally if my following assumptions are wrong and please forgive me.



Maybe they don't like you because they sense that you feel they are inferior to you. Who would want to be friends with someone who thinks that everyone is an idiot.

Personally almost everyone I know knows that I am interested in entheogens and that I do mushrooms twice a year. They also know why I do it, and the fact that it is extremely safe. Every person I told about my love for psychedelics I carefully explained and showed them that despite my young age I do not do these things for fun but rather for becoming a better, more happier individual.

Thus I was able to dispel a lot of myths that these people, who aren't even my friends, hold on the subject. Like that acid makes holes in your brains. Knowing how psychedelics work chemically helped me with this. Also while majority of them smoke weed all the time, while I do not, shows them my restraint and patience with these matters. In the end I guess that they realize that if I wait a whole year to do psychedelics just twice in the summer and then I'm willing to wait another year till next summer that I'm extremely serious about this matter.

Also while I do understand the frustrations that some members of this community feel toward majority of the public, I believe that each person should be treated equally despite of what you think about them. I know that this is not easy when you believe that you are intellectually superior to someone but people can offer more important things than philosophical musings about the universe. So to sum it all up either forgive the little things or don't hang out with the people that piss you off.

Peace, Meta.

Are you talking about your friends there or family or what?
I have friends that are into tripping but also friends that I don't talk about my trips to.

There's no point in talking about trips and tripping to people that haven't tripped unless you know they're very interested in that stuff. And very few people are. VERY few. Most people just look at psychedelics as the worst drugs on the market. They make you sound crazy and sometimes do crazy stuff.
Last fall some stupid douche came walking naked into a supermarket in my neighborhood that's open 24/7 in the middle of the night behaving bizarre after eating some shrooms. This was in the local newspaper. What do you think people that read news like that and have never tripped think when you start to talk about your trips and hyperspace? Just forget it. Most people don't want to hear your trip stories.

I've sometimes felt lonely with my experiences but fortunately I have people around that trip or used to trip
But like some here say, this is what the Nexus is for Here we talk about all things tripping

I was talking about anyone who has at one time or another asked me if I smoked pot and did anything else besides that. I find that majority of the people around me get very curious even if they have some bad misinformed opinions on the subject. So first I correct the things they thought were true but are actually lies. Then people are actually very attentive since they realize they don't know anything on the subject. I never ran into anyone who was hostile about me doing mushrooms. Also I think that even if I did, chances are that I would call them a hypocrite since they would probably smoke weed. Then I believe I would be able to inform the person. I think the approach is what matter. It's easy to get pissed off and shout "It's not true" after hearing for the 100th time that LSD makes holes in your brains, but calmly explaining things to people has worked for me.

I knew this had to happen:

Jumper has never written anything that eluded to what you are assuming. Never did I say anything about who is better than whom. How can people know what I feel? They are not me and never will be. What I write about comes from years of direct observation. I don't know about you, but maybe your town has better quality people who's interests are more conducive to inner exploration.

For your information I have many friends and associates who respect me and hold me in high esteem. To make an assertion otherwise without knowing what my life is like is unwarranted on your part.


Again, you have made an assumption. It is clear that you are taking my words in a different context. With all due respect, please go back and read Jumper's original post again.

To all other readers, can you see what I mean?

Dear Jumper I am aware that I was making an assumption that I knew could be wrong. So once again I apologize if I offended you. But please understand that I was not trying to attack your character but rather that sometimes it's hard to feel the tone of the words on a forum. Also yes I might have been lucky that the people I've met were willing to listen to my ramblings with an open mind.

No offence taken.

I understand the meaning of your words, and the message is perfectly clear.