Spring is right around the corner, which means that SWIM is going to take another stab at extracting from Phalaris grass.

SWIM wants to do a bulk extraction on wild Phalaris and this is what he came up with for a tek

1- Harvest young Phalaris leaves, add a citric acid solution at pH 4 and blend with a standard kitchen blender.

2- Heat this slurry in a crockpot for a few hours, then strain and discard the plant matter.

3- Use ammonia to basify to pH of 10, then extract with chloroform.

4- To the chloroform add a citric acid solution (do not use vinegar, DMT-acetate is soluble in Chloroform)

5- Save the citric acid/ DMT citrate solution and discard the chloroform.

6- Use ammonia to basify to pH of 10, then extract with chloroform.

7- Evaporate the chloroform to yield freebased phalaris alkaloids.

8- Wash with heptane then evaporate the heptane to yield pure DMT.

So steps 1 and 2 are the acid cook, step 3, 4 and 5 are for defatting then steps 6 and 7 are freebasing. Stopping at step 7 will probably yield a oily, mixed alkaloid extract which could probably used for Changa, and step 8 should yield pure DMT crystals.

SWIM chose to use chloroform as the solvent because it is the solvent of choice for alkaloid extractions, it is easily made from Isopropyl alcohol and Bleaching Powder and it will pull DMT when Ammonia is used to basify (which Naptha will not). Also, chloroform should pull all the fats, resulting in a clean product.

However SWIM plans to stabilize his chloroform with methanol. Will the methanol hold onto the DMT-citrate in step 4, stopping the DMT-citrate from migrating to the polar layer?

So what do other SWIMMERS think. Phalaris may not be the starting material of choice, but it is extremely plentiful. And a good tek could result in extremely plentiful DMT.

ahh nice..we need more people working on phalaris teks..im in the middle of one as we speak..the fats are giving me some problems but thats a given I guess with the grass..your tek sounds better, if it works..

No idea about the methanol..andi didn't know chloroform was that easy to make!..good to know..

Def keep us posted..

BTW the grass should be all over by now, depending on where you are..im on the west coast of canada and been collecting it for the last 3 weeks..

i have some phalaris growing and soon i will be working on some tek as well

dont forget the usefulness of freezing AND boiling to break the cell walls

im thinking of salting with citric acid or fumaric acid at first, then defatting with d-limonene a few times, freebasing and then pulling with dlimonene and then salting out with either vinegar, FASW or FASI..then try to freebase that and pull with acetone or IPA

one has seen literal fields of magical grass growing in the pacific northwest..one gazes on these with wonder at all the potential hidden there from eyes that do not see
and a one has grow some mightily potent "turkey red' strain of arundinacea, several cycles of stressing make for high levels of alcaloids...for instance an ayahuasca brew from oly one ounce of said grass is almost TOO MUCH, putting a one on the floor in the fetal position, the insane pressure and life flashing before ones eyes, every atom exploding in shimmers kinda thing. yeah this grass definetly needs to be given more foccus, especially if mimosa is destined to be getting to much unwanted attention

by the way, do you have a link to how to make chloroform?? not sure what bleaching compounfd is...can you clarify this please??

Here is a link

Chloroform seems really interesting because it is pretty unreactive, but SWIM is somewhat hesitant to make this, given the fact that chloroform breaks down into phosgene which is a poison that was used during world war 1. Apparently there is some way to stabilize your chloroform using ethanol, but you should still be storing it in an amber container, probably glass if you can find it.

SWIM just checked his spot for Phalaris and there is a little bit of new growth, not enough to harvest yet but he'll probably get some next week. Apparently, the newer the growth the more potent it is, one guide SWIM read suggested only harvesting the top part of the leaves. So SWIM thinks that the sprouts/first growth will also be very potent.

As for Chloroform, SWIM is using the method from 'King's Chemisty Survival Guide' (you can grab the pdf at http://www.filefactory.com/file/a93106/ or the .rar file at http://www.rapidshare.ne...stry-Survival-Guide.html [rapidshare has less annoying pop-ups]). This is a great general introduction to chemistry, and has many useful techniques and synthesis, including a few for chloroform (on p.37). SWIM is going to be preparing his chloroform using Isopropyl alcohol and Calicum Hypochlorite (Bleaching Powder) and he is planning on filtering the chloroform instead of distilling it.

I plan on harvesting the top couple inches every week or two once they get about 6-8 inches tall.

ive had success with doing a simple lye and dlimonene tek..just basify after freezing and thawing the grass a few times..then add dlimonene...then salt out with FASI...freebase and pull with acetone

bam phalaris grass tek, it does work..just needs some work on the finer details

Nevermind about that last post, I just figured out that the whole idea of fats being insoluble in alcohol was bullshit.

SWIM will probably get started on the original tek soon, he's got the grass but still has to mix up the Chloroform.

SWIM has harvested about a pound of Phalaris sprouts, it is time consuming work but the young sprouts should be pretty potent. One easy way to identify Phalaris sprouts is by the red color of their base, sometimes, after picking for awhile SWIM's hands will be stained red.

Guys, please do not try to create Chloroform on your own.

SWIM was trying to filter a solution of Calcium Hypochlorite when the funnel tipped over, spilling the solution throughout his bathroom. It took him about 30 minutes to clean it up and the rags that he used to soak up the solution began heating up, to the point where they started releasing some kind of gas. Chlorine gas flooded the bathroom and SWIM couldn't breathe without choking. He opened a window, tossed the rags in the toilet and got the fuck out. A few minutes afterwards he checked on it and the rags had stopped steaming and the gas had dissipated.
This was a very close call, if SWIM hadn't been in the bathroom, or hadn't thrown the rags in the toilet to cool them down he doesn't know if he'd be typing this right now.

Please, unless you really REALLY know what you're doing, don't attempt to make Chloroform with Calcium Hypochlorite.

SWIM is going to use DCM (or Xylene, but he isn't sure whether or not it will pull the alkaloids if he uses ammonia as a base. Anyone know?) in his extraction or maybe work with alcohol, using the tek that FractalEnchantment wrote in the 'Phalaris and Gramine' thread.

Nice tek. But...SWIM have never made anything from Phallaris. Not even from homegrown...not from wild grown.
Actually, swim have tried over a dozen of Phallaris extraction, and never get anything useful from this plant.
And where SWIM lives...there are fields with Phallaris. And SWIM even try with ordered (he buy some of it) Phallaris and still result is: NOTHING!!!

Well...good luck in Phallaris extraction...my advice to all who want some "Elf spice"...go with Mimosa; or Chakruna...actualy...something with Dmitry inside

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i really love to read about phalaris grass and the DMT it contains.. thanks for trying to start up a tek, i know teks are 100% needed.. but its much more easier for a simpleton like me to extract DMT. im thankful everyday for the dmtnexus and its vast sea of knowledge.