Having had several breakthroughs, I am struggling to take anything away from my DMT experiences. Generally my experiences have taken on a similar pattern. I spend a few seconds with elaborate CEV's, where I get quizzed by a gatekeeper entity of sorts, who grants me access to the "breakthrough" space. Whilst in hyperspace, my body flys apart, and gets mixed into the hyperspace fabric, before getting re-assembled as I begin to get a sense of self again. (plenty happens inbetween, but I can't remember anything of it)

There is confusion and disbelief at what is happening, I struggle to make any sense whatsoever of what is going on. I have not taken any lessons from what I have seen away with me, which is why I have approached spice in the first place. At the minute, it is more of a crazy rollercoaster that I can't remember.

The period from about +4 mins to +5 mins into the experience, where I begin to regain my semblance of self, is where I can integrate what is happening a bit more and colour the trip with intention and gain euphoric feelings of gratitude, joy, wonder, before bumping down, generally saying "what the fuck?!?" to myself repeatedly until baseline.

I read so many reports of people having wonderful spiritual experiences, but so far I find it too confusing and overwhelming to fully appreciate anything. Don't get me wrong - it is fantastic, but not what I was expecting from what I have read from others.

Does anyone have tips on how to better gain insight from spice? Does navigating hyperspace get any easier with experience?

I read about people doing "work" in hyperspace. What training can I do to get more from it?

EDIT - I normlly dose 35-40mg

Ayahuasca or Pharmahuasca is the best way to learn how to navigate hyperspace. When you have learned so, after a number of sessions with Ayahuasca, it gets much easier to understand and also remember the spice experience.

Usually on that part when you start to peice yourself together, I have all kinds of epiphanies, but find that "way out there" section to be more of a reprogramming stage.

It's all very dosage dependent though. Usually my strongest lessons with vaped spice involved me being fully immersed, but still in my head enough to think coherently about whats going on. Like I remember this one time going off on this tangent about this thing I see before me not being an entity in itself, but a message programmed into the plant from another, which had me questioning the whole god thing, but at the same time being so aware of how amazing this everyday world is, that I'm so lucky to have been here. I came to a thought I had frequently when I was a child about meeting my lost loved ones in heaven. In particular one of my grandmothers. I had a realisation that even if I never see her again, I'm lucky enough that such a person lived and that I knew her and not a half second later an entity wooshed past with a magic wand casting a spell on me that made me feel the presence of my grandmother and the joy and love she brought to my life and I could see the feelings I have for her like a hug in the air. So I guess ever since that day I've have a much more efficent view on death and how I cope with it.

But anyway I guess the point is, though some may disagree with me, if you are arriving back to a "what the fuck!?!?" then you maybe aiming a little to high, because if you get your headspace just right and go just far enough, you should be arriving back with a "thank you".


All that aside though, vaped DMT is a blip on a globe compared to the infinite healing when DMT and the vine meet.

Thanks Soulfood, maybe I chose my words poorly there. I simply meant astonishment that this other place seemingly exists. It fees so real - the "what the fuck" reaction is one of bewilderment, not any negativity whatsoever. I see your point though, maybe 40mg is too much right now. I dosed about 33 mg the other day, and came back literally in tears from the experience. I just don't know why I was moved to tears, if you know what I mean? It's hard to explain I guess...

I'd love to try aya as you both have suggested, the practicalities of that are harder for me right now though.

No doubt I've seen it too. And it's hot shit! But also a lot like getting the name of a train station that you zoom past without stopping. Best to slow down the train, or just hop off altogether.

The key is to find your own way with it and stop letting your experiences get coloured by that of others. It took me about a year to start really finding my way and as is typical at first the use was pretty frequent, but after a while I slowed down and went in with more preparation, but less expectation and that's when it really started happening.

I find I get amazing insight from drinking a caapi only brew and then vaping later as I get minimal discomfort that way and it's all a head experience from start to finish. Maybe if you don't have time to brew try some extracts like what they have at maya. I find the pure harmaloids to be a little too vague in terms of a rounded experience, but I hear full alkaloid extracts can do the trick.

Thanks Soulfood - some quality advice as always my friend.

For me, on pure vaped spice, the experience is very hard to reassemble; I find changa extends that tail part of the journey from where it's easier to bring something back, and fundamentally changes the nature of the journey. And if a caapi tea isn't an option, try smoking a bowl of it about 10 or twenty minutes before. Once again, I find this extends and deeply enriches the experience.

Happy travels!

Maybe try to change the Mao-inhibitor.
Try Caapi extract or pure THH together with a little more DMT.
I think you gonna experience something more spiritual.

I agree that the caapi tea is key to getting the most out of the experience There is always a deeper teacher element to it. Also I like to start easy with vaped spice ramping up into stronger doses. this works well for me usually leading up to a full breakthrough and then being able to stay there for a while and keep returning.

It takes allot of time and you have to put forth a serious effort. It can easily be only a spectator experience for you if you dont conciously try to control your being during the experience. The best too to reset my mind during a peak was to open my eyes for a few seconds to regain my mind and go back in. Doing this worked for me well.

As far as long term benefits when I quit I made the blunt statement that there were no tangible benefits to DMT and it was nothing more than one hell of a trip. My final big experiment the Mass of the Phoenix ( I posted it in the experiences section a long time ago) encouraged me to give up on it. It was only several years later in hindsight that I seen how it fundamentally altered how I perceived the world and how I thought.

Awareness grows like a plant.
The more you know, the more you can know.

Sometimes we need to step back and look at the symbolism of what we see... I feel we normally get what we need, rather than what we ask for. Some of us just have to learn to ask for what we need and leave it at that. I also want to aggree with vovin about the long thing... I yesterday experienced the end of an excursion I had nearly a month ago... and what an awesome ending, I think I leveled up again.

Also learn to listen to the voice in the back of your head... he hates talking to himself....and make no demands.

Vovin, would you say its effects on your perceptions and thoughts were negative or positive, or neither, merely just an alteration in the way in which you perceive, Not good or bad.

Its interesting to hear from someone with so much experience who has also taken a rather large break.