+0 - 350 mg of kava extract to ease the prelaunch anxiety.
+30 min - 245 mg of THH (FV tincture). Partially sublingually, partially orally. She could not hold it long enough in her mouth.
+ 60 min - 50 mg of 1:1.5 enchanced leaf (mostly calea), additionally 7 mg of spice were sprinkled on top of leaf. 27 mg of spice altogether. Smoked in a small water-filled bong.

Experience description: See the subject. Also very confusing. Typical smoked spice mindfuck. Not a single thought worth mentiioning. Well, the afterglow was somewhat longer. It is a pity. She held so much hope in THH. Was the spice smoked too late after taking THH? Too early?

SWIM is into her THIRD year of experimenting with spice and already losing her patience. Practically all her journeys were very difficult. Two journeys before today's she was amazed to find out she did not convince her partner/sitter to kill her. It was close to 2 hours of monumental, gut wrenching, unbearable nausea.

Out of her 40-something journeys only one was remotely close to lots of glowing experiences reported on this forum. It's a small wonder she took so few trips during these years. Sometimes it takes weeks, or even months before she musters enough courage to start experimenting again. Once, after a particularly painful experience, it took her almost a year to return to spice.

The only more or less blissful journey was the one before the last. She took 70 mg of Caapi Copy sublingually + 50 mg of enhanced 1:1.5 leaf. Oh, well, she had couple of beers and some kava extract before the launch. It was very warm and exquisitely colorful.

That sounds like too much THH to me. Once you go beyond a certain point, its not very good. Like all harmala alkaloids, there's a sweet spot and if you overdo it, it's not so good.

For SWIM, 350 mg of THH orally is unpleasant. 200 mg is the highest oral dose SWIM likes. Once you go up from there it gets to be intoxicating, just like the other harmala alkaloids.

For the best effect from THH, you need to use just enough for full MAOI potentiation and no more than that.

SWIM's not very sensitive to MAOI's. Recently she took 380 mg of pretty pure rue extract to make pharma work.

Today after 245 mg of THH there was no noticeable body load. On the other hand, last time she took only 70 mg of Caapi Copy and it definitely worked. Taken at + 15 min smoked spice was felt for almost 2 hours.

She felt no intoxication.

SWIM just can not figure out what her body requires .

SWIM doesn't.



The idea was to extend the journey duration and possibly make it different, not to make DMT active. SWIM's experience with smoked spice alone is always the same: short, scary and easily forgettable.



I guess SWIM does. Who doesn't?

Trickster, why not give bufotenine a try? It sounds exactly like what you want. It lasts longer than DMT, and is not at all scary.

Thanks. No experience yet with bufotenine. SWIM will go through the teks.

SWIM doesn't mind scary experiences, but when each and every one is predictably scary, with very similar content and not much insight, she starts thinking that it is just a waste of time. Actually one of her most memorable and useful trip was with 8 g of p.cubensis - complete ego death and blissful reunion with the Universe. It was much more frighteing than most recent DMT trips.

Maybe because of this similarity and predictability of DMT trips it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy?

Today SWIM's planning to do pharma with 200 mg of Caapi Copy and 100 mg of spice. Or maybe 50 + 50 mg of spice later not to overdose?

Last pharma experience was horrible but she hopes that was because rue extract was used (380 mg of harmalas + 200 mg of spice).

that seems like so much damn harmalas...no wonder your experiences were horrible..

just as an example i can use 100mg harmine and 30mg harmaline with 45mg dmt fumarate and have a MUCH too powerful experience..380mg of rue harmalas seems like a massive overdose..to me anyway

That sounds like the smart way to go. I find if I dose low, I enter the experience with a more positive headspace and then if I'm feeling it I can start getting a bit more adventurous and add another 50-100% spice with great results.

SWIM's got to that amount very gradually, starting from 70 mg. Here are amounts of Rue extract used for pharma - 70-120-200-280-380 mg. Amount of spice was also gradually increased from 30 to 200 mg. Nothing worked but the last combination.

Strangely enough, SWIM had similar experience with mushrooms:
1g - nothing
2g - nothing
4g - slight visuals
6g - more visuals, but nothing else
8g - complete disintegration of the ego, the Universe and everything.

man....i must just be a super-sensitive soul with this medicine! if i'm going to inhibit before vaping, i'll use 25-35 mg. THH or Caapi Copy and then vape 20-25mg spice and be LONG GONE FOR A LOOOOOONG TIME..... if i'm doing pharma, i've had some deep realigners on 50mg harmala and 30-35mg. spice fumarates.

....these number you're throwing out there are just beyond anything i can even get my noggin around!

best of luck to you trickster my sister. i know you will find your 'perfect combination' and when you do it will all be well worth it!!

MUCH LOVE AND GRATITUDE!!