Hi all,

Bit of a strange question, but I've seen on other sites where people have stated they drink their own urine whilst on shrooms, or at least whilst coming up as apparently the Psilocybin is converted that fast it can end up sat in the bladder, so if you go to the toilet you are basically throwing away pure Psilocin.

I can see the logic behind this given reindeer in Scandinavian countries consume Fly Agaric which is supposedly where the story of Santa and flying reindeer came from as the Saami reindeer herders would drink the urine and start tripping.

What do you think?

Normally I trip on an empty stomach and bladder, and I consume just by eating dry with a sip of water, but recently I tried making a brew. This worked fine (indeed I came up ridiculously quickly) but soon needed a wee which made me wonder if I should just hold it in or drink it! In the end I waited as long as I could then went to the toilet :confused:

I also experience a couple of other weird effects when tripping which I'm hoping you can help with:

1. When I'm coming up, my throat feels really icy like I've gargled a load of alcoholic mouthwash or I've sucked a sore throat sweet. Any ideas why or anybody else get this?

2. Why veins in my legs hurt when tripping, especially my left leg inner thigh. Again, any ideas why or anybody else experience this?

Thanks in advance.

There is no good reason to drink your own piss regardless of the reason.

That being said, lots of traditions revolving health and getting high/poisoned with ancient plants and compounds (toad venom for example) are just not up to date and usually only speculations and not proven.

Stick with stuff that has been studied.

Plants and compounds proven to be effective and safe include, cannabis, psylocybe, cacti, ayahuasca + analogues, iboga, purified psychedelics like DMT and LSD etc.

Please don't drink your urine, or eat fly agaric or venom as it is.

Well, it's known fact that humans used to drink deer piss or make their partners eat mushrooms and then drink their piss or whatever worked for them. Probably some still do, I don't want to know.
That's because amanitas without knowledge of how to prepare and consume them, are toxic and oldest known way to make it non-toxic is this piss-tek.

Doesn't mean you should do it as well. Science has progressed since and I believe you can find lots of methods of amanita preparation, without needing it to be metabolized first by a living mammal.
We have shared them, me included, here on respective sub-forum.

As with psylocibin, I don't see a point in piss-tek - just take some more maybe?

P.s. for your Q#2 - it might be vasoconstriction, for me aspirin helped or just plain walking, but I didn't get it as much with shrooms as with LSD/LSA.

Drinking your own urine when you are healthy, a few times in a lifetime is probably ok. But I am not sure about making a practice out of it.

At least do the calculations yourself to work out how much psilocin is likely to be in your urine from a given dose after a given amount of time. Once you have that figure, even if it seems like a worthwhile amount you must ask yourself whether you want to commence piss-drinking when you're already tripping. Or are you willing to get used to drinking your non-psychoactive urine for a while beforehand just to get used to it?

This requires commitment, and seems a bit daft.

This mainly depends on the form in which psilocin is excreted in the urine. According to online sources, it's in form of glucuronide, which I would expect is inactive. I also doubt that metabolism is so quick that your piss will contain substantial amount of it after 20 or so minutes.

Weird and unpleasant feelings are common with mushrooms.

First is to be sure it is excreted unchanged, as said. If I'm not mistaken, that's the exception not the rule. I heard about Amanita years ago, was frankly surprised when I heard the same thing could be done with meth more recently. It's not a given.

As has also been said, timing. That could be a lot of piss to drink to be sure you were getting it as it went through.

What a poor decision to drink your own urine. Just grow more shrooms -> eat -> repeat.

I'd like to add to this that (sometimes) cacti eaters do this, because of the poor bioavailability of mescaline. Supposedly, 90% of what you eat ends up in your pee in the following hours, unchanged.

But... Cacti are VERY slow to grow, specially when compared to shrooms. So, even if OP's hypothesis is right, I don't see the point in recycling "psilurine", shrooms are very easy to grow in vast amounts.

You had probably better eat your own poop, just to be sure.

Waste not, want not.

As far as I'm aware, urine is sterile and safe to drink a few times before toxins start leeching in.

At the same time, psilocybin and psilocin seem to have good bioavailabilty, so it probably wouldn't make any difference.
If you ate 2g of a mushroom that was 5mg/g, I doubt you'd get even half that back in your urine.

All the same, this may be of use to you.

Drink wisely

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I've found it better - not to mention safer - to dry the poop and smoke it in a bong.

But, more seriously, I've found that redosing with shrooms part way through the trip brought only minimal returns so I can't imagine that drinking a few pints of wee on the off-chance that they might contain half a dose's worth of psilocin - conjugated or otherwise - would amount to any kind of benefit. And shrooms can have quite the diuretic effect on occasion, making it more likely than not that you'd be dealing with a large volume of a dilute solution.

Like seagull says, just grow more shrooms. If you're vegan, you can even use your own poop!

We can't forget about jenkem.

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I'm intrigued by this suggestion - how does it square up with the radioactive tracer studies that were performed way back in the day? They give a clear indication of the metabolic fate of mescaline in the human subject and can be dug out of the archives fairly readily. Perhaps MAOI usage would make this mescaline-saving technique all the more viable, preventing its loss as TMPAA? Preventing demethylation might be the other priority in this case, being the other route of direct metabolic loss besides oxidative deamination.

Don't imagine for a second that the idea hadn't crossed my mind! The thing is, in that case we're clearly deviating from tryptamine recovery since it's the gaseous putrefaction products that appear to be the active agents - unless you make it so fizzy that a significant amount of the active fluids gets aerosolized, of course.

Or we have a new psychedelic: psilogaseousputrefaction... I'm gonna start a church.

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Guaranteed there isn't enough psilocybin in your pee to have ANY effect... given that taking a FULL second dose barely works to begin with.

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This is something we can really work with considering how the vast majority of the body's 5-HT receptors are in the gut. That gut-brain link isn't something to be sniffed at.

Unless it's our jenkem, of course.

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