Greetings everyone!

I did not think I'd be signing up to a forum tonight - first time since 2012!

To give a brief introduction - I was first introduced to psychedelics on NYE 09/10 and they changed my life entirely.

Since then I've practised with many different kinds and have come to a point in time where I feel the need to take the next step.

I have not had an experience with DMT since 2018. I had an experience that left me feeling fulfilled up until now where I have a calling to bring me back in.

This time, I would like to create a DMT Vape using a vape mod, tank and coil with DMT infused juice.

I've begun to research, however prior to arriving here I was getting mixed answers - some suggesting ceramic coils only, someone saying the temperature can't exceed 35ºc, some saying you need a 200w mod and others saying don't exceed 45 watts.

I was originally going to buy the following setup:

- 200w mod (GEEKVAPE AEGIS LEGEND 2 L200 MOD)
- Large tank (GEEKVAPE MAX SUBOHM TANK)
- 70-85w 0.3ohm (GEEKVAPE M-COIL)

But after reading around, it seems theres more to it than I initially thought and this could potentially be a huge overkill. I don't mind if this setup would actually work but I'm concerned about destroying the DMT due to heat or if cotton somehow interrupts the vaporisation process as opposed to a ceramic coil etc.

I ran a search on here but couldn't seem to identify a specific thread so I was wondering if perhaps someone could direct me on where to go to find a comprehensive guide on what equipment is needed?

Or if someone has experience - would I be able to ask a few questions to learn what I need to do this correctly?

Thanks you for your time!

Hi there Equipment seems correct. DMT would burn only if you use your coils with unsuitable settings. You should start with the lowest power setting (the lowest value of the recommended range written on the coil, or even a little below) then increase the power as needed. For example, with the coil you mentionned, I'd start with 65w and increase it progressively if that's not enough. If your tokes taste like burnt plastic, probably your power setting is too high -> decrease.
The juice could be made with a mix of PG (min 50%) and VG (max 50%), or only PG. As the spice doesn't dissolve as well in VG than in PG, you'll have to adapt the PG/VG ratio according to the concentration you want to get. If you opt for a strong juice (like 1g DMT/1 or 1,5ml vape base) you'd rather go for 100% PG. If you're going to make a weaker juice (like 1g DMT/2,5 or 3ml vape base) you could opt for a 50% PG/50% VG mix. So, you could ask : why not going for 100% PG anyway ? Because some people would find 100% PG harsh on the throat thus adding some VG will soften the harsh feeling. Find the ratio and juice concentration that suits you. Usual range goes from 1g/1ml to 1g/4ml with a base that contains from 50 to 100% PG (therefore 0 to 50% VG).
You can make your juice with freebase DMT or DMT salts as mentionned here.
An other advice, especially if you're new to vape world and not used to PG and/or VG vaping, would be to have your first tries with blank juice (just the base without DMT) to ensure you can keep the aerosol in lungs long enough (20 seconds is nice). If you can't, don't despair. Lot of people cough the first time they try a PG/VG base (especially if heavy on PG) but with a little practice it gets better and better.

Hello lC1101,

Welcome to the Nexus. I am so glad you signed up after hearing DMT call 5 years after your 1st experience.

I don't use the device you have because I am lucky enough to own a Glass Vaporgenie, but I am confident that if you persist that your questions and concerns will be fully answered.

On another note, have you given any thought to extracting your own DMT? There are many tried and true TEKs in the wiki.

I hope you find what you seek and again welcome you, .

Hi lC1101,
I think it probably is overkill for juice, you really just need a cart and a 510 battery in my opinion. My setup cost about 15 bucks and I broke through every day for a few months on it. It is a little finicky, you have to breath in very forcefully to prevent it from getting stagnant and burning but as long as you can do that you shouldn't have any problems. I just bought a Mighty+ a bit ago so I am upgrading to that but I might buy an emesh too at some point. If you are going to build out your own kit I'd do it for an emesh or convection vaporizer. From what I understand, a vaporizer will likely be more efficient, you can dose it more precisely, and in the long run it might save you money if you use it as much as me . I'm sure either will be great though, happy trips!

Also, this site is great: https://sites.google.com...srue/sub-ohm-rebuildable

I just use a standard vape mod with a steel mesh and heat to 180C. Works perfectly everytime for freebase and you only need 30-40mg to enter hyperspace.

Nice! I appreciate all of that! Thank you.

I have some previous experience in vaping so I understand the terminology and method - what I'm a little lost on is the varied discrepancies I'm reading when it comes to wattage/coil optimisation for spice specifically.

I have seen people suggest getting a ceramic coil specifically for a temperature controlled toke because you don't want to burn the spice but then I have also seen people suggest getting a powerful mod and a high wattage coil to make it a worth while dose.

If either option is possible, I think I would be leaning towards a temperature controlled hit and would build the appropriate setup but I'm hoping to get some firsthand feedback from someone experienced in this area.

Thank you again for your response!

Haha thank you! I went to that website and he does a review on one of the tanks that I was looking at specifically. What're the odds?!

Thanks for your response! So it is okay to run at that temperature? I've read specifically that you don't want to burn it so I'm a little unsure!

You'll need SS316 coils for a TC (Temperature Control) use. Nickel or Titane work as well with TC but are not really suitable for standard power mode (at least it is not recommended to use them in power mode). Only SS316 can be safely used both in TC and power (watts) mode. For the TC setting, once you found a SS316 coil, read the recommended power range written on it, set the wattage at the lowest value from the range (it's better to start low and increase if needed) and the temp limit somewhere between 180C and 200C. Try it. Adjust watts or temp if needed For the power mode, you'll just have to find the right wattage value, which don't burn the spice at the speed you're inhaling (slow inhalation heats the device more than with quick inhalation.). Oh and just one more thing : not sure the coil you mentionned in your original post is suitable for TC. I'm not even sure that suitable coils for TC are available with this tank, so if you absolutely want to use TC maybe you'll have to make another choice for the tank.

Awesome, thank you so much this tells me everything that I need! Yes to clarify, I'd been looking at that tank prior to learning about the ceramic concept which is why I'm tossing between the two and working out what build to go for.

Seems like you can do it both ways provided you set the equipment up for spice specifically. Might just purchase tanks for both options and see which works better.

Very much appreciated my dude.

I will aim to keep everyone in here updated with how I go!

I followed the TEK is this thread and honestly, I haven't looked back since.

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=92213

HTH

Hey man!

I can't PM but I wanted to reach out to say that I've just read your guide;

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=99330

Super useful! I've only just sat down again to read this forum further however I pulled the trigger and purchased a setup earlier today.

So in the end, I bought the following;

- Geekvape AEGIS Max 2 100w Mod
- Geekvape Z Subohm Tank (comes with the mod)
- Also comes with these coils; Z0.2 Mesh 0.2ohm: 70 - 80W Z0.25 Mesh 0.25ohm: 45 - 57W. From what I've read, apparently the 0.2ohm coil for this tank in particular is recommended for spice juice.
- Geekvape Z Subohm SE Tank (although I've just noticed this comes with a whopping 5.5ml bubble tank and not a spare 3ml tank like I thought)
- Geekvape SS316L 0.15ohm Z-Coils for Temperature Control
- 21700 4100mAh battery


It's interesting to know your thoughts on TC - originally I wasn't going to make a TC build (thought hadn't crossed my mind) but was advised to definitely look into TC so I opted for a setup that can give me both options.

Thankfully after reading your post as well I've seen that this setup will also handle VPC which I'm really interested to try based on your experience.

Would you have any further tips or does this sound like a pretty solid plan?

Appreciate all your assistance!

Hi

The plan seems solid Maybe just the 5,5ml is quite big if you plan to try with small quantities of juice.
Keep in mind that my failures and successes with TC were at a time when the technology wasn't as reliable and evolved as today, and as I'm satisfied with VPC (or even basic power mode) I didn't explore the TC further recently. Worth the try anyway.
As I already said about the settings, whether you use TC or power/VPC mode, try first with the wattage set below the recommended range of the coil. This recommended range in case of sub-ohm tanks is intended for high of full VG juices. VG needs more power/heat to vaporize well (and produce big clouds, which is one of its interests) than high or full PG. With high or full PG you'll need less power. Also the boiling temperature is much lower on PG (187C vs 290C for the VG), so heating the device too much with a high PG juice could result in splashing droplets in the mouth.
I can give you a setting example : I've also got the Z-Max tank and tried it with the quad coil, which has a recommended power range from 85 to 100 watts. With a 50/50 PG/VG and 1g DMT/2,8ml concentration, my first try was with VPC setting starting at 75w then decreasing a few watts. It was a little too much. From the first seconds I immediately recognized a slight overheated DMT characteristic taste, so I lowered the setting afterwards. I lowered to a 65->60w curve and it seemed ok but I don't have much perspective, having only tried once. Worked pretty fine though This is just to give you an order of magnitude of the possible difference between the recommended power and the power you'll use. I don't know the recommended power range of you SS316L coil but I would anyway start with something like 10 or 15 watts below the lowest recommended value, then increase if you feel the need.
Also, ensure you use the right TC mode with your SS316L coils, the TC-SS mode.

I know this is a few months old but for anyone else looking here's what's worked for me:

Geekvape Z non rebuildable subohm tank with the Z0.15 ohm coils

A 1:3 strength mix of 500 mg Deems with 1ml PG and 0.5ml VG.

Makes enough to fill the tank.

I initially started at 30W in power mode (Aegis solo) and found it a bit harsh to my non vaping lungs coughing immediately, so reduced to 25 W and tried a 6-8 second inhale and a a 10 second hold.

That was enough to put me on the verge of breakthrough and one more of those would have been hyperspace central!

That was my trial and next time I'm going to try hitting it twice but as an experienced emesh user I am certain the second toke would do it.