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Isn't this incredibly low yields? I thought the seeds normally contain around 4%, and as you said, 12% has been found... Maybe we need a more efficient tek, because it is huge losses here, isn't it?
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Low yields? After all the puking and cramps I've experienced from my previous experiments in extracting bufo, I'm extremely pleased with this yield. 0.120 grams / 20 grams = 0.006 or 0.6%. 114 grams cost about $35 114 grams should yield 0.68 grams of pleasantly pure bufo or about 34 full (20 mg) doses About $1 per dose I am sure that with some tweaking, any tek can be optimized. For example the particular naphtha I was using is "Escort" brand from Canadian Tire. This naphtha has a particular composition of hexane, heptane and cyclohexane, which affects its polarity when used as a solvent. The ratio of acetone to naphtha in this tek is stated as 1:4, perhaps 1:3.75 might be more optimal A different brand of naphtha would require a different, optimal ratio to mix with the acetone. OF I want to be happy, But I can't be happy, 'till I make you happy, too In the province of the mind, there are no limits.
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The yield from these seeds varies a lot. 1-3% is typical, but SWIM has had anywhere from 0.1% all the way up to about 10% using the same Soxhlet based tech. You can't judge the efficiency of any tech from using just one batch of seeds. You may remember me as 69Ron. I was suspended years ago for selling bunk products under false pretenses. I try to sneak back from time to time under different names, but unfortunately, the moderators of the DMT-Nexus are infinitely smarter than I am.
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That is true. In addition, it is better to have a yield of 0.5% of pure bufo instead of a yield of 3-4% of black/red nauseating goo! Need to calculate between salts and freebases? Click here! Need to calculate freebase or salt percentage at a given pH? Click here!
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I think if you wash the seeds thoroughly until you're not pulling colour then you have done it right, regardless of what tek you're using.
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SWIM just finished this tek and it worked fine... best quality extract yet and it was less hassle, the caramel bit was interesting, the yield was typically pathetic, 150mg from 60g but hey it's a reliable, repeatable pure bufo tek... good job. all posts are fictional
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69ron wrote:The yield from these seeds varies a lot. 1-3% is typical, but SWIM has had anywhere from 0.1% all the way up to about 10% using the same Soxhlet based tech. You can't judge the efficiency of any tech from using just one batch of seeds. can you please share this soxhlet procedure? ThirdEyeVision It's the third eye vision, five side dimension The 8th Light, is gonna shine bright tonight
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GreatWork OrginalFace SWIM can't wait to give this TEK a try, as he would love to get rid of the nausea at the beginning of his visions.. "Let us declare nature to be legitimate. All plants should be declared legal, and all animals for that matter. The notion of illegal plants and animals is obnoxious and ridiculous" - TMK
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Ibeing789, thank you for trying this tek. It is gratifying that Someone Who Isn't Me can perform this procedure and obtain useful results, just like I did Thank you LucidLemonade, like I mentioned, this tek is the result of work developed by many Nexians. Special thanks to 69ron for his trail blazing along with Jorkest, for his many experiments and soulfood for his trials using naphtha and acetone as cosolvents. OF I want to be happy, But I can't be happy, 'till I make you happy, too In the province of the mind, there are no limits.
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Which other techqs give better yield, and are equally easy? Or is this the best? My friend tried the ISO and it didn't work,
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This tek should give best yields possible if performed thoroughly on good seeds.
With that said I still haven't heard any concrete evidence about EXACTLY wah happens to the seeds when they are toasted. I personally finds it gives me drier results only and some folk thinks it increases potency. My guess was that it only gains potency when toasted because it boils off non psychoactive alkaloids, however some folk have a theory that it converts inactives into bufotenine.
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Well, In my friends case the ISO tech resulted in almost NO effect. Would 8 grams of this tech produce usable amounts?
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yeah I don't see why not. If it's in the seeds to begin with.
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Are non-freebased bufotenine/other alks soluble in ISO?
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Crisp, see this thread by 69ron about bufotenine solubility; http://dmt-nexus.me/foru....aspx?g=posts&t=3053OF I want to be happy, But I can't be happy, 'till I make you happy, too In the province of the mind, there are no limits.
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Thanks for the reply, OriginalFace, but what I'm curious about is whether the bufo has to be freebase before it's soluble in ISO. If not, what is the bufo in it's natural form soluble in?
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Bufo in its natural form (unknown to me salt) is soluble in acidified water and according to noman, in this thread https://dmt-nexus.me/for....aspx?g=posts&t=1934 , is soluble in IPA. Are you trying out a new extraction variation? If you learn anything new, be sure to let us all know. Every little bit helps improve our collective efforts. OF I want to be happy, But I can't be happy, 'till I make you happy, too In the province of the mind, there are no limits.
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SWIM is currently halfway though this TEK... Although he used 99% IPA as he had no acetone at the time. He used 40g of seeds and last night got 1.6g of goodies after adding the fumaric acid and another 600mg dropped out when he checked this morning He's quite excited so far as he has 2.2g of bufo furmate goodies, he's currently waiting for some naphtha before he can contine but he hopes this yield makes it though the final stages. "Let us declare nature to be legitimate. All plants should be declared legal, and all animals for that matter. The notion of illegal plants and animals is obnoxious and ridiculous" - TMK
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LucidLemonade wrote:
He's quite excited so far as he has 2.2g of bufo furmate goodies, he's currently waiting for some naphtha before he can contine but he hopes this yield makes it though the final stages.
Could you describe to me the colour of your fumerate? I'm curious about how it compares to fumerate salts from an acetone pull as IPA is meant to pull a cleaner profile.
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soulfood wrote:
Could you describe to me the colour of your fumerate?
I'm curious about how it compares to fumerate salts from an acetone pull as IPA is meant to pull a cleaner profile.
The first 1g that dropped out straight away was a very light tan colour, The rest that took slightly longer to drop out (over night) is a creamy white colour. SWIM is also about to start another 40g but this time with acetone to seem how it compares. He might also freebase and pull some of the white furmates and see how clean it is before the naphtha cleaning step. "Let us declare nature to be legitimate. All plants should be declared legal, and all animals for that matter. The notion of illegal plants and animals is obnoxious and ridiculous" - TMK
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