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Hi. First time going in (Jurema) - need lots of advice, thanks! Options
 
tanglewolf
#1 Posted : 11/4/2022 4:52:22 AM

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First of all, Hello! Thanks for having me here. Been reading a lot on here for some months, joined yesterday.

I'm Tanglwolf and I am based in an East Asian country with crazy strict laws, and yet I was able to pretty much legally obtain everything I need to make Jurema.
I NEVER get the house to myself, but shortly after getting all I need, my partner declares I will have the house to myself one night next week as they are going away for a night. Coincidence? I don't think so. It seems the timing is perfect.

But I will be ALONE and that is something I know we are generally not encouraging. I have ample experience with Psilocybin in my youth, and last time I did acid I did NOT go insane (Jeffery Lewis reference there for you!) and it was a few years ago. But I never tried DMT.

So I have two questions. The first is about recipe and brewing. I have read some of the basics about brewing and know how to do it... I just want to check the amounts. I have 60g of B. Caapi, but probably a low quality. I also have 200g of good quality inner root bark Mimosa Hostilis. As I will only really get this one shot at Jurema, I need to make sure I get something out of this experience. However, as a total newbie to DMT and as I will be going in alone I need to make sure I don't... I don't know, start clawing at my eyes or screaming to wake the neighbours etc. I also need to come back to a decent state after 4-6 hours so I can walk my dog Pleased

60g B. Caapi
6g Mimosa H. Inner Root


I plan to cover it all in water, boil for 2 hours, cover again and do a second wash, then mix the water and reduce it to about 70cl. I was hoping this would make enough for three doses (a small initial dose, a larger dose after the dog walk, and then one more dose to keep in a thermos flask until I get another chance to try it).

Does this sound like a sensible recipe to all you wonderful people? Will I need more mimosa? Is that too much caapi? I know we don't know the exact properties of the plants, and all the accounts are different so I plan to sip, wait... swig, wait... take the dose in small waves.

I am less afraid of it being a bit strong and giving me visions and more afraid it will do nothing.

FYI I am not on any meds for depression, though I am doing this as a way to help myself. I am in a much better place than I was before but I would like the boost that this teaching spirit plant can offer, and I feel she is calling me. Love

So that was question one. Question two is more about what to expect. If I manage to get a good dose, I imagine the experience will be similar to psilocybin but with its own nuance. Is that right? Will I be likely to spend the entire trip laying down? If it does get strong, will I be likely to wake up still in bed, or do people walk around not knowing what they are doing when under the influence? I really need to stay in a place where I don't have to worry about my neighbours looking out the window and seeing me dancing naked in my garden, or worse attempting to drive a car or explain the cosmos to a nearby group of school kids. I need to find that perfect line of the teaching zone and yet stay compus mentus enough to be safe. I know DMT is different from other psychadelics, but how much is physically wandering around not knowing what I am doing a risk? Visions I can handle, vomiting is ok too, but as there is nobody to restrain me I don't want to risk not being in control of what I am doing in the physical realm.

Anyway, sorry for the long post. I really appreciate your advice! Peace and Love!

 

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boogerz
#2 Posted : 11/4/2022 8:00:32 AM

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seems like your 6g of mhrb is too high

minx aya

hope that helps! nice and steady~

Drool
 
Tomtegubbe
#3 Posted : 11/4/2022 8:32:51 AM

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Hi tanglewolf. You will retain control over your actions and remember that you are tripping. So you don't need to worry about dancing in the garden naked without realizing it yourself.

Walking your dog in the mid-trip can be quite a task both mentally and physically, especially if you are concerned about neighbors.

Your ratios and method of preparing the brew sounds reasonable, but it's definitely more than is reasonable to take in one go or even in one session. You can take a little and then take more if you feel like going deeper.

4-6 hours won't be enough for you to go there and get back. Usually if I start at 4 pm, I can slowly start to imagine going to sleep at 12 am.
My preferred method:
Very easy pharmahuasca recipe

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tanglewolf
#4 Posted : 11/4/2022 3:19:22 PM

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Thank you! I am glad to know that the old dog will be ok... i worry more about her than me tbb! So mu recipe should be ok you reckon?
 
tanglewolf
#5 Posted : 11/4/2022 3:20:08 PM

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boogerz wrote:
seems like your 6g of mhrb is too high

minx aya

hope that helps! nice and steady~

Drool

Yeah I am real confused about this!
 
Tomtegubbe
#6 Posted : 11/4/2022 4:33:49 PM

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tanglewolf wrote:
boogerz wrote:
seems like your 6g of mhrb is too high

minx aya

hope that helps! nice and steady~

Drool

Yeah I am real confused about this!

For one session it is too much as is 60 g of caapi, but if you plan to make a brew for several sessions you can use those amounts for the brew. For one session 30 g of caapi and 3 g of mhrb will be enough. However, if you put them together like this, you need to take another sip after about 1 hour of the first serving if you want the DMT to have an effect. It won't do anything before MAO inhibition is activated by caapi.
My preferred method:
Very easy pharmahuasca recipe

My preferred introductory article:
Just a Wee Bit More About DMT, by Nick Sand
 
tanglewolf
#7 Posted : 11/5/2022 2:34:57 AM

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thanks a lot, that really helps. So, do you recommend I brew the b. caapi seperately, just 30g, then brew 3g of the jurema/mimosa and drink shortly (about 30 or 40 mins) after the cappit brew?
 
Tomtegubbe
#8 Posted : 11/5/2022 6:38:57 AM

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tanglewolf wrote:
thanks a lot, that really helps. So, do you recommend I brew the b. caapi seperately, just 30g, then brew 3g of the jurema/mimosa and drink shortly (about 30 or 40 mins) after the cappit brew?

That's how I do it. It gives you a bit more control over the dosage, but brewing them together allows you to up the dosage little by little. You can do either way.
My preferred method:
Very easy pharmahuasca recipe

My preferred introductory article:
Just a Wee Bit More About DMT, by Nick Sand
 
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#9 Posted : 11/5/2022 8:18:08 AM

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try 20-25 grams of jurema. I understand you're counting molecules here, but maybe don't. you'll probably be better off making your brew too strong and sipping it than rather trying to get every last molecule out of your wood. I'd reccomend making a pint jar of like 60g chips in some vinegar and cooking the heck out of it then just sitting on that and maybe just a sip or two will get you going. seeds also are more effective than banisteriopsis but banisteriopsis is a lot nicer. you'll get a lot more comfortable with the stuff by letting your stomach decide how deep you want to go as long as you can set your stuff to the side without having to worry about your roommates.
 
tanglewolf
#10 Posted : 11/8/2022 1:54:09 AM

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Tomtegubbe wrote:
tanglewolf wrote:
thanks a lot, that really helps. So, do you recommend I brew the b. caapi seperately, just 30g, then brew 3g of the jurema/mimosa and drink shortly (about 30 or 40 mins) after the cappit brew?

That's how I do it. It gives you a bit more control over the dosage, but brewing them together allows you to up the dosage little by little. You can do either way.


Thanks again, this gives me a good idea about how to go about it. I think I will make enough brew for more than one session, but sip and be mindful and use my time to try and find the right place. It's useful to know that I should brew them separately.
 
tanglewolf
#11 Posted : 11/8/2022 1:59:12 AM

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vixintrex wrote:
try 20-25 grams of jurema. I understand you're counting molecules here, but maybe don't. you'll probably be better off making your brew too strong and sipping it than rather trying to get every last molecule out of your wood. I'd reccomend making a pint jar of like 60g chips in some vinegar and cooking the heck out of it then just sitting on that and maybe just a sip or two will get you going. seeds also are more effective than banisteriopsis but banisteriopsis is a lot nicer. you'll get a lot more comfortable with the stuff by letting your stomach decide how deep you want to go as long as you can set your stuff to the side without having to worry about your roommates.


Thanks for this! Haha, space isn't an issue as I have the house to myself. In fact, it is that fact alone that gives me the chance to do this. Last time I had house to myself was about 6 years ago and very rare. My partner knows nothing about this and would NOT approve and may even divorce me lol!

I would rather not do alone in some ways as this is my first time, but I keep seeing signs everywhere and now there is a lunar eclipse the day before I am going to start the jurema brew so many things feel right. Still nervous about it though. Someone I know offered to be my sitter, but as I don't know them well I think they might send me over the edge rather than help... I have done heavy mushroom trips alone many times in my youth. I have been stuck on an infinite loop into darkness before and managed to find my way out... I just worry about having visions that cause me to get up and do something in the physical realm that I am not aware of. But I've been assured I'll still know what I am doing whilst in the realm and so I feel I should be ok.

Everyone, thanks again for your advice! Hopefully a trip report in about a week!
 
 
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