Although there are many ways to obtain freebase jungle it seems far too often the last step is the dreaded evaporation of limonene or xylene.

SWIM has some jungle goo (200mg) around and he was testing it out. 4ml of limonene seemed to barely dissolve any at all, even when heated in a water bath.

SWIM then tried using simple tap water, that worked well! of the probably 190-175mg left it, all the liquid was dissolved leaving some odd, non-psychoactive solids.
(it's a goo, maybe it was just dust)

SWIM then evaporated the water a room temp and it yielded a completely clear red/orange goo which when smoked produced the very typical jungle visuals and the wonderful headspace. The limonene was evaporated and yielded the same, albeit much less, product.


So extraction-wise. Though acetone and iso can be used to pull jimjam mixes, water will pull only the jungle.

SWIM was thinking that he would keep it food safe and:

-Use limonene to pull bark that has been depleted of white freebase.

-Use vinegar to salt out the alkaloids from the limonene

-take the vinegar and create a paste by adding some lime.

(the said jungle from the top experiment was obtained by adding limonene to the paste, mixing, filtering and evaporating)

-then hot tap water will be mixed through the paste, poured off and filter.

hopefully that will yield only freebase jungle and tiny traces of lime when evaporated,
if not then a small amount of limonene would have to added first to the pinky-lime/jimjam paste to pick up the impurities.

If that is the case then it would be easy to separate the limonene after since the limonene floats

Of course this is a TIME shortcut, not a work shortcut.

After that hot naptha can be used to pull the N-N-DMT-oxide for a full alkaloid mix, seperated.


Just a theory. of course FASA or FASI could be used to precipitate the alkaloids as well SWIM thinks, but he's never done it.

There may be a shorter way, SWIM's just pondering after discovering the solubility. SWIM will likely just create a tincture out of the acetate salts for pharma most of the time, this is just if freebase is needed.

i noticed n-oxide was water soluble and not acetone soluble too - seems like a lot is lost freebasing with sodium carbonate and pulling with acetone.
amor fatis approach to freebasing would also wash loads of jungle away then.
there seem to be a few jungles.

Strange, SWIM has seen the n-oxide to be soluble in acetone. One can even make dmt-n-oxide fumarate by dissolving the freebase oxide in acetone and add FASA.

Even with the sodium carbonate freebasing, SWIM after pulling with acetone has tried pulling with other solvents (methanol, ethanol, IPA, DCM) without succeeding in pulling any further.


This may be the result of chemical alteration/maturation of the jungle spice during the long evaporation of the limo (or xylene). If it got pulled by limonene, it must be soluble in limonene! Otherwise it makes no sense.

well to come to that conclusion i did this :
took 100mg clean white spice and mixed it with some acetone and added some 40 volume h2o2
the solution was evaporated to dryness leaving a yellow oily stuff - this did not disolve at all in dry acetone.
the acetone was removed
a few drops of water was added and it instantly disolved.
perhaps n-oxide is only soluble in WET acetone.

N-oxide is too? hmm, SWIM didn't know that.

Also SWIM was just saying that jungle is only slightly soluble in limonene and much more so in water.

Cheers.

This is pretty much similar to what SWIM using however ethanol instead of acetone. And his stuff dissolved fairly well in acetone after it dried.

Is it possible that you did something else? Was your oxidised result soluble in other solvents as well? I have hard time believing that something that can dissolve in DCM, limonene and xylene (like the dmt n-oxide) cannot dissolve in acetone.

I am more inclined to believe something much more plausible. It is possible that your the conversion with acetone and peroxide may have resulted in a totally different product. Acetone and peroxide are reactants and react to form the explosive acetone peroxide. It is difficult to know what exactly you got from this conversion, Phlux.

Did you bioassay the product for activity?

i tried to smoke it but it was very plasticy - i didnt end up smoking enough

lol.

omfg don't ask stupid questions please..expecially if you know that they're stupids!!
do you think maybe they will unlock your account earlier spamming stupid questions?
anyway,the aswer is yes,you could

Hi, it is indeed a smart question ! Only that I've not found anyone talk about this before.

If I were locked how could I have posted ?!
Therefore you have to know that stupidity and arrogance was more on your side because your reply seems also not well tuned with the "Attitude" statement saying "We respect each other and support each other".

Anyway thanks for corfirming my idea and I invite everybody to elaborate it more.

Take a look around it's been done and elaborated...take a look at dry teks in the wiki. Amor Fati did a lot of work with these sorts of teks and it was his efforts that are truly behind the "q21q21" tek.

Welcome to the Nexus

oh...and...PS - Dimitrix...how about showing new members a little respect? You've been here long enough that you should know what is expected of you according to the attitude. Come on dude

Thanks Snozzle !
I have finished now to read around the wikis but found nothing that resembles what I meant, that is to mix a strong base to the crude plant material as they prepare yopo or coca leaves.

Are you asking if DMT can be extracted by first basifying rather than doing an acid wash?

Or are you asking if you can mix lime with a plant containing DMT and simply chew on it like coca?

The answer to the first question is 'yes'. To the second: probably, but I'm not aware that anyone has really tried this... sublingual/intrabuccal absorption is surely an effective roa of DMT--I believe I ran into several posts detailing sublingual dmt fumarate administration as successful--but chewing on MHRB would be uncomfortable at best, and chacruna and chali are not potent enough to make chewing the straight leaf an option (unless you have a really big mouth, I suppose...). DMT enhanced coca, on the other hand, might be quite interesting... <awaits a good bashing from the aya purists>

Yes exactly that ! Chewed or smoked.
Chacropanga quids is said to be active and also smoked: my best friend checked the "way of smoke" founding it weak but anyway active at a sub-threshold level (and more effective when mixed with grounded Esphand).
It is in fact the Diplo's leaves powder i was thinking as best candidate for this processing, given that bufotenine and 5meo availability could be greatly improved with basification. A couple of grams of this compost sublingually seems comfortable to me.

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BTW I recommend to NOT snort Chali because he had the harsh lesson that it irritates the mucoses.

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cheers