Hello everyone,

During a period of about 3 years, I took large amounts of DMT drinks that I made from Acacia Confusa and Syrian Rue seeds. I was doing this for spiritual and personal exploration, and drank it every day, 5 or 6 days per week, making it myself. The amounts that I took are probably in general not considered safe, although it never had a negative affect on me physically that I know about. I am talking a whole cup of pure Acacia powder (for example) boiled for days with a teaspoon of vinegar and then concentrated after multiple filters into a single drink; basically powerful enough to send you into Hyperspace for 3 hours straight.

I have a lot of experience with this but have not really talked about it anywhere, so I just wanted to participate in discussions and if any of you are curious about it, I'm happy to share. After years of experimentation with this, I believe that DMT is a neurogenesis agent in the brain and produces significant amounts of neurogenesis. Essentially I have developed a model of consciousness that can theoretically work in the brain, that has to do with quantum mechanical computing in the micro-tubules. My main reasoning for this is that my usage of these plants helped repair my brain from a serious series of injuries and it massively improved my cognitive abilities in a way that has lasted. (I currently have not taken any DMT in about a year, although I currently have some Acacia brew boiling down. I put a cup of Acacia boiled with a cap of vinegar in a slow cooker for 3 days and am currently boiling it down to about 7-10 dosages. Not the strongest I have ever made this, but decent and probably about 5 or 10 times as strong as a shaman would make in a ceremony.)

The one thing I would say is be very careful with taking Syrian Rue too frequently. If you ever try to dose daily with this (which I do NOT recommend although I did it as you can get messed up pretty bad) you absolutely must rest your body from MAOI inhibitors a minimum of 1 day per week and preferably 2. Also, I have taken way more MAOI inhibitors than are recommended, in a way that I believe would put several grown people in the hospital (for some reason I have an extremely strong tolerance to these kinds of things that ais NOT normal). Be very careful to measure it and only use the recommended amount.

The other thing to be extremely careful with, is the brain can produce incredible delusions and if you are taking very strong DMT drinks, you can believe these delusions. Overall, while I believe in the spiritual universe, I believe that a vast majority of hallucinations people are experiencing are actually the byproduct of neurogenesis and also unconscious thoughts coming to the surface. I.E. the brain is growing and the growth is producing visual distortions as it is not used to it.

You might see something that is not there, and think that it's real in some manner. While it might be, for example the brain can be connecting into the quantum field (as consciousness must be quantum energy) and causing the overlap of perception into another dimension, you might also be seeing something that is just your brain reorganizing existing information in a useful and creative way. Because your perceptual systems are altered, instead of passing these off as daydreams the way you would if you were in a slumber, you instead believe that they are real visions. While some visions are definitely representations of what is real, it is useful to note that having a vision does not mean that vision is what is actually there.

Next bit, is to be careful on who you tell about the things you experience. While they might be radically life transformational, there are people who would definitely try to get you thrown into some sort of mental hospital just for describing a DMT trip as what you see might freak them out.

I have experienced other kinds of things that while I have a theoretical model that allows for explaining them, they really cannot be explained, and that is a real overlap on things that happen in the mind and having them physically affect reality around you in a way that is perceptible in some manner to other people. Overall, my personal experiments have confirmed that reality is essentially some form of decoherence from the dimensions of consciousness, and the more powerful of a consciousness field we are producing, the more powerfully reality can be affected in some way. While this is interesting, interesting energetic phenomenon does not prove that what you are doing is good or that you are divine, it is just interesting and that's it. Actually it can be very distracting, as any pursuit of understanding or controlling it leads to dead ends.

For example, I have had physical objects that were not in the house appear out of nothing and then when the trip wears off it is still there. There was a time when a solution of something cooking appeared out of nothing on the stove with a spoon spinning around in it (it was something made out of ingredients that weren't in the house and I did drink it). Later when the trip wore off, it was still there. Like a pan full of ingredients physically appeared out of thin air cooking while I was across the room and nobody was with me. Some of this phenomenon has witnesses, but most of it does not. When I say it is distracting, it is because I not only have no idea why that described incident happened, there is no way that I know about to reproduce it. I.E. why did the strange energetic phenomenon happen, and how can it happen again?

I don't know. Overall, did I get value from my experiment? It helped me in a time in my life when I had nothing whatsoever and somehow helped me heal from impossible things, so in that manner yes. Would I ever recommend what I did to someone else? I'm not sure about that. I think these things (DMT drinks, Ayahuasca, etc) are generally good to take once or three times perhaps, and leave it at that. What happened to me, is that I was suffering from brain damage from someone trying to take me out in 2017. It healed, and I stopped using the medicine all the time.

The one thing that I will say about DMT being in the bloodstream, is that when you look at the world, it feels like you have never seen anything before, and you are looking at reality for the first time. There is a youthful glow about it, that makes you more like a kid again. It grows the brain in some way (I would like to prove this with scans) but I'm not sure that is useful, as if all of the sudden you are 40% more smart than before, you have to get new friends as what you talk about stops relating to the same kinds of people. Also, opening the dimensions of spiritual perception is incredible, but you might not be ready for it. The people you love in your life may or may not react well if you have a spiritual awakening that transcends the self, and you start blabbering on about it to them.

So yes, I'm making some more at the moment as I feel I have a "little" healing in my heart to do, and this is sort of the lazy man's way, but generally I've been staying away from it. Let me know if you have questions. I really have probably made medicine that is 100 times as strong as some of the upper level dosages people talk about on this site, and I can walk around and communicate like that. Although, I am probably rather irritating to be around, so it is better to be in the woods.

Also, be careful if you barf that a dog doesn't lick it up. (they will trip pretty good).

Love,
Michael

Hey, i can't really make a proper response right now but i'll try to make a more in depth post soon. But i took Rue and Mimosa/Acacia daily/near daily for 4 years straight, it was the best thing i've ever done, i learned so much, while i haven't delved into the subject of quantum mechanics and such like that, my thing was more so learning about the body, mind and spirit, but also a good bit about reality but mainly about how the mind works and it led me towards mysticism, psychology and philosophy lol. I have a lot i can say about my experimentation, but i don't have the time at the moment.

Hi zionofenoch and thank you for sharing your story. I believe the key in skillfully navigating the hyperspace is to learn to distinguish between illusion and real like you say.

When I started my journey my psyche was much more fragmented than it is now. I had superstition and interest in submerging myself into mystical visionary states. But the answer was not there. Learning to see through the illusions little by little has given me much freedom in my sober life and helped in building spiritual autonomy. Hyperspace is like a debug mode. You can use it to piece together your fears and desires if you have the skills but acting unskillfully there can lead to more confusion.

I really enjoy hearing the stories of people who have had long relationships with the medicine. They serve as very important reminders for us who have embarked on the path to make careful decisions and be vigilant.

Welcome to Nexus!

This is truly fascinating. I'm glad to hear that it has helped you. Respect the medilecine, and the medicine will provide.

Thanks for sharing!

Syrian Rue can be very harsh. I much prefer the combination of Ayahuasca vine and ACRB, although I understand this is more expensive, especially if you are dosing at the levels you are doing.

Useful and insightful post.

Thanks for sharing everyone! Yeah, I enjoyed the experience for certain. I agree that Syrian Rue is more harsh. However, it is much more easy to make and contains much less bulk, therefore it is easier to transport for long periods of time. My first experience with the medicine is I took I believe 15 grams of Acacia (it was 2 or 3 times the recommended maximum dose) with 100 grams of Caapi blended up into a banana spinach smoothie (raw). I was in hyperspace for 7 hours from that and it changed my life and healed me from addictions. Since that time, I have learned a lot. We must be very careful what we listen to, and beware of the affect that pride and broken psychology can have on others, especially if we are on medicines around them as the medicines highlight what is inside and bring it to the surface. Eating it raw like that still is the best, however you run into problems as it is utterly disgusting, and it causes massive fluid retention like you would not believe. (You have to drink perhaps an extra double of the water supply and is not recommended for a sustained period as it is harsh).

These products are very easy to make and my experience has been that you get more value out of the experience doing it away from shamanism. I won't delve into why on this subject, it is just the experience is different and I think better and more free. Be very careful with generating too much meaning for things you experience, let it simply be what it is and teach you what you need to know. Create a safe space of energy and make sure that you are utilizing it for good reasons. Transformation is better than knowledge, and knowledge is better than power. Remember that on your journeys.

Love,
Michael

I am curious to read more about the materialized objects. Many people will understandably write it off as some sort of illusion from being high and out of one's mind. However traditional Ayahuasca lore includes objects materializing in various ways, like purging objects, or materializing divine gifts...

I like how you put it. There are lots of illusions in the hyperspace and the more sober stance you take and less attachment you build to them, the more you can bring back and use to build healthy life and bring about positive changes.

This is a very interesting thread. Zion- have you always used acacia? Acacia and rue are plants I have not experienced either of, and mixed form a brew that I haven't heard much about. What got you so heavy into that mix in particular?

It sounds like you just jumped in with a heroic sort of dose, but can you give any advice for someone just getting started who hasn't had an aha experience with these particular medicines yet? I know it's there, tickling behind the veil, but I haven't gotten it yet.

My will is set. Thank you

Hey, this was not an illusion. There were definitely illusions that happened. But an example is I was in one location singing in a field, and 7 blocks away my brother saw me physically drive into his Guitar store, honk the horn, wave, and drive back to where I was at. There were multiple witnesses to phenomenon at various times. Some of it was just experienced by myself. I can "kind of" explain it, but it is based on a theoretical model of consciousness and reality and none of it is proven. Basically, I believe the brain, and the combined brains and consciousness causes reality to fix into state in a certain way, and when there is enough consciousness present, reality can be "overwritten" with some other version and it can physically manifest. I have had experiences with time being overwritten and evidence erasing itself out of reality over a period of 2-3 weeks for things that had happened, but now didn't (like a real time mandala affect).

Acacia is in the Torah is why. I am into the teachings of Moses, the prophets, Christ, etc. When Moses saw the burning bush, it was an Acacia tree. Acacia is the wood that made the ark of the covenant. The Egyptians called it the Tree of Life. It was the medicine I first found and I stuck with it.

One more point, how would I start? I'm not sure I'm the best one to ask. What I would do personally, is make a mega-dose. Like 3 times stronger than the maximum recommended (15 grams of acacia for example) but I am risky. So best to get advice with someone more cautious. The ingredients are very cheap. You can buy a year's worth if you were making it 2 times a week for probably 100-150 bucks and all of it is legal to purchase basically in most places.

There are accounts of saints of various religions having appeared in two places simultaneously. The phenomenon is called bilocation. The reality is what we perceive. Telepathy can explain it to certain extent, but there may be more.

The large daily amounts that you were taking is bound to cause some sort of melt down eventually.

There are claims of divided consciousness in the split brain theory. Where as one side of the brain has no clue what the other is doing. Perhaps one hemisphere of the brain took a nap and the other decides to make soup, even went to the store. lol.

Its just a wild guess but: Thanks for sharing!

I am intrigued now after reading more about ACRB. What you said about it being a tree of ancient lore resonates with me in a profound way. After having consumed brews only in the amazon I have been searching for an approachable and affordable way to do so at home, and based on my MHRB experiences I am not particularly drawn to making a brew with that plant. Likewise, all the chakruna I can find access to is somewhat prohibitively expensive. I will try it your way sir, although at a reasonable (for me) starting dose of maybe 5-10 grams of ACRB along with rue. I will try the rue alone first so as to become acquainted with its particular spirit. Thank you.
If anyone has any advice on a good starting brew, I would appreciate it. Looking around here and elsewhere online, 4g rue and 7g ACRB brewed separately and consumed within 10 minutes of eachother sounds like the way I will go barring any further advice. As the rue I have access to seems like it will take some time to get to me, I may try the same ACRB brew with my aya spirit extract while I wait.

Blessings all.

I wonder why you used rue instead of B Caapi. Many people prefer Caapi because it contains THH which has SSRI effects that enhance mood (among other things). The mood enhancement may be through an increase in the density of Serotonin transporters (5-HTT) in the brain, c.f. https://www.dmt-nexus.me...&m=224785#post224785

I tried rue in high dosage and was very disappointed because it just made me stoned and didn't lift my mood – in contrast to B Caapi tea. I'm sure this is because of the lack of THH in rue.

Two questions to you:
1. Why did you decide for Rue instead of B Caapi?
2. Do you think that THH builds up a tolerance? I'm afraid the mood-enhancing effects can't go on forever

Thanks!

I can appreciate that you have faith that these things are true, but many of them appear to be speculation lacking any evidence. I know some authors have proposed them as true, but it is largely just theory if I am not mistaken.

The idea of the connection of DMT to religion is nice, but I have seen a lot of people use DMT and while the experiences can be learned from they do not seem to educate users or to initiate them into arcane or occult mysteries.

According to some of the tale Christ could read and write and was initated into specific occult mysteries and was not a founder of a religion but rather an initiated priest in a line that went through John the Baptist. I propose that these teachings form the basis of the tradition (Gnostic Ogdoad) and not a psychedelic experience and that those who desire to learn of such things are better off studying the material than ingesting a psychedelic.

However I am coming dangerously close to preaching here and don't want to tell people what to think.

Neurogenesis is a wonderful thing, but in some cases it occurs because new pathways need to be made to replace the ones destroyed by the same substance. I have found that the Hericium mushroom extracts are much more promising neurogenic agents that appear to often stimulate the growth of new neurons without the pathways being blocked.

Zion of Enoch, have you read the Talmud?
It is a core book of Judaism said to have been the teachings given to Moses but it is not widely known.

Yeah i've tried Caapi, as well as pure THH, as well as THH with Rue, as well as Caapi with Rue, and haven't found THH particularly useful, i get by just fine with Harmaline especially, me and Harmaline get along very well. Stony it may be, but wonderful and healthy medicine it is lol. Though with that said i wouldn't think THH would build a tolerance, both Harmine and Harmaline seem to have a reverse tolerance so i would assume THH at the very least wouldn't build tolerance, but idk. And i just get along better with Rue than Caapi. I also like having Cannabinoids/CB1 agonists with my Rue so that contributes in itself to a mood lift lol.

quote....During a period of about 3 years, I took large amounts of DMT drinks that I made from Acacia Confusa and Syrian Rue seeds. I was doing this for spiritual and personal exploration, and drank it every day, 5 or 6 days per week, making it myself. The amounts that I took are probably in general not considered safe, although it never had a negative affect on me physically that I know about. I am talking a whole cup of pure Acacia powder (for example) boiled for days with a teaspoon of vinegar and then concentrated after multiple filters into a single drink; basically powerful enough to send you into Hyperspace for 3 hours straight.


are you saying you triped 5-6 days a week /?

was your dmt from ... crude powdered bark..or extracted crystal?

If you used ..powdered bark.....how did you avoid the nausea?

did you always use rue with your sp drink?

when ever i use a large enough dose of vaped dmt..i almost always... [that night]..or the following night .. experiance a super vivid lucid dream...or atleast a pre lucid dream!
[it was almost like... my brain was thanking or rewarding me for the dose of molecule it received..
...by rewarding me with a really amazing dream experiance!

taking the molecule that often]...Did you experiance a large increase of very vivid... or ocasionally lucid dreams..durring sleeping hours?

I always wanted to try straight bark powder tea..but because of the nausea it is suposed to cause
i always backed down...

thanks for very interesting post!


quote..one of.. Dr Timothy Learys last statements after being asked if he regreted anything in his life?.. was...
[I should have tripped and made love more often!]

Thank you very much for sharing