I feel like what the bleep perfectly exemplifies Oppenheimer's quote "Keep an open mind, but not so open that your brains fall out."

That movie came out before I knew a LOT of what I know now and was a great catalyst for getting my mind going/asking questions about "crazy" phenomena. However, when I researched emoto shortly after seeing the movie, I discovered his BS website where he tries to sell his crap and realized that section was a complete sham. I began to do research on other parts of the movie as well and must say that, as much as I initially enjpyed it, I now see it as a kind of detriment to the truly out-there, yet still scientifically supported research. I dunno, it had its moments and i feel maybe achieved something, but looking back on it I can't say that it should be viewed as having any more authority on the subject material it covered than the X-files did on the paranormal and occasionally psychedelic (two mushroom episodes and a couple other entheogenically themed episodes as well) themes it covered.

I actually can't imagine, how scientists would want to proof this and how.
It has no benefit at all financially, so no scientist will get paid for that

money rules it until humanity gets it!

So thats a more neutral attitude towards the film. The film could be good for certain people, certain times. And in the end it will lead to better understanding of the scientific principle, money making, but also let’s say about the (real) mysteries of quantum mechanics. I am sure this thread will do that for certain people. I hope so. Is that a positive thought? Intention?

So is the movie in your opinion still bullshit that shouldn’t be referenced? Of course you may feel so, dont get me wrong on this.
It just fascinates me, it really does. I find the threads that start out with bullshit (?) questions (or movies) end up to be most interesting.
Im not so sure anymore about any bullshit... its got this negative tone to it

but about the original question:
- no such proof

btw i like the double slit experiment by doctor quantum

scientific principle is, in it's purest form, reproducibility.
you can't reproduce crackpot theories.

business is about money. science doesn't try to sell you anything; it merely proposes evidence for a theory, or rejects it.

I think, on the whole, it's a good starting point, albeit flawed, for those who know absolutely nothing about quantum mechanics/physics and would never bother to educate themselves on it whatsoever simply because it will make them think and possibly do some research and learn the correct theories and the like. It's almost like a poorly researched "A Brief History of Time for Dummies". I think Bullshit, in the realm of quantum and theoretical science can be interesting, but ultimately is merely a whimsical distraction from many similar/parallel thread that already exist. That is, to my mind, the real stuff is just as fascinating and is "actually occuring" somewhere somehow. What the bleep could be seen as an intellectual time bomb, where many people will believe they now have a basic grasp of quantum principles, but in reality will be creating a "flawed foundation" so to speak.

My view on the movie is this; it's a legitimate talking point, in that it was a movie that was made and people saw it. Everything that was in it that was debunked should be understood as such, but at the same time, any stimulating/interesting thoughts it precipitated should be pondered/researched/followed to their conclusion, be it mere speculation, factual/theoritcal debunking, or legitimate applicable conclusion. just my $.02

I think the fact that we are alive proofs that 'positive' thoughts or at least motivations are more 'powerfull' than negative ones: life can be difficult under some circumstances, especially circumstances our ancesters had to face and many people are still facing each day. Living in extreme hot or cold conditions, having to look for food when it is realy scarce, sailing across the globe in just a few tiny ships or even rafts for months and months, traveling to the moon.

Giving up would be the easiest thing to do, it would safe so much effort. But apparently the 'negative' tendency's are weaker than the 'positive' tendency's, even if following the negative ones is much, much easyer.

That seems to me a strong indication that much of the proposition is right. But it indicates only that thoughts, tendency's and behaviour that is in favor of survival and peacefull co-existance are more dominant in man than the things that are disadvantagous for these goals.

Saying then, that positive thoughts are more powerfull, is an interpretation of these facts.

But it's probably true nonetheless.

And yes, i also hate the bunkmovies and books that tell us that there is some secret to be happy, etc. In fact what all those books and movies say is: reject your life as it is and as it has been thus far and invest all your energy in hoping for an imaginary better life someday in an imaginary future, that will be rid from all negativity.
And since there will always be less positive things on our way, this will only lead to an infinite circle where you have to buy a new book every two months or so, to make yet another new attempt to lead a better life maybe someday in the future.

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Influence is a powerful thing. Lets remember that people followed Jesus out of love. People followed Hitler out of hatred. In any given large population, one can find any and all types of people. If I wanted to find an Asian athiest that was good at math and basketball who drove a 67 corvette I could find one in America. If I look on the internet for a fetish site that involves pigsfeet and petunias I am sure that somewhere someone has one up and has a following.
The benefit of a large population, especially for those with power, and influence, is that SOMEONE will rally to your cause. Huge numbers sway to the whims of those who promise X,Y or Z.

Any restaurant in town, whatever they serve, will be serving SOMEONE. Statistically, X percent of people will crave Pizza on any given night, or chinese or barbeque, whatever.

Edward Bernays knew something about this and before bacon and eggs were the standard breakfast it was toast and coffee. He was a public relations genius that used his uncle, Sigmand Freud's theories to his advantage and pushed the ignorant masses wherever he was paid to push them.

Interesting thought about that...why is it one never hears the phrases "ignorant masses" and "majority rules" in the same breath?




Espiridion

If you ever feel like shit, force yourself to smile.

Proof enough.

If you ever feel fucking great, force yourself to frown, doesn't do shit.

some people love to hate
these people may thrive on negative thoughts, it actually makes them feel good.

so what about that?

not everyone pukes sunshine or emanates glee.

I'm sure this film is crap....just from the responses, and the over all statement as scientists are on to thinking thoughts can effect reality.

But on the other hand.....though more than likely not true, i still see slight possibility of thoughts effecting reality to a degree....very slim possibility. When playing cards with friends...i have always noticed...if i feel good i win alot...if i feel bad i loose alot.

Now this could just be loosing makeing me feel bad...and winning making me feel good(The more rational thought), but i have a few weird experiences with this feel good about this outcome, and this outcome will be good.

One i actually remember was not so long ago...though it dosen't have anything to do with feeling good about the outcome, but feeling what the outcome will be, and keeping the expected outcome up...feels kinda the same...like playing a game and being in the zone...ultimate focus. Then again.....it could just be chance, but to predict the rare chance like this....crazy stuff...crazy feeling.

Rolling dice to see who goes first in a game, me and a friend tied so we have to both roll again. I feel we are going to tie again and we do....so we roll again, i still feel this is going to be a moment where we continue to tie...we tie again. I actually try to keep this feeling up, not trying to have mind control over dice...i am sain, but keeping the confidence that we will continue to tie. Anyway, we rolled nine times in a row and tied all nine times, he had his on die, i had my own. On the last roll(9) his flew out of the box we where rolling in, but we still tied. We called that one out of bounds and made him roll again. So he rolled again, i decided to see if the freak show would continue and re-rolled mine once more bam....we tied again...roll for roll. 10 rolls in a row, two people with there own die rolling in a box, and from the first roll, i felt a weird event was going to happen, and we would continue to tie...and we did 10 times in a row.

I'm not gonna jump to conclusions, thats just why i give this a slight possibility, that thoughts can effect reality. But odds are tricky to, someone has to win the lotto. 1 in a billion can happen. And thats what i rate this possibility, 1 in a billion.

You are hitting the nail on the head. Slippery ice indeed...

Also drugs can make one feel good. but is that really feeling 'good'?
Sin vs virtue? what works for one? really..

Can being hatefull make one happy? I think being hateful is not a prefered state of mind, it doesnt make me feel happy (=harmony) at all. If i do not have to hate, then i wont. It is simply the way of less resistance. Most of the time (for me) there are other possibilities that are more rewarding, profitable, productive. And also more fun. Being hateful is a less optimal state of mind. Because i wont be happy as long as i am hating. So it depends on the context which measure to take to neutralise the cause of hate.

Killing or torturing the fellow man because you hate might seem an easy option for some, but is it really going to solve the problem?
That is what one should consider before pulling the trigger.

One simply does not want to feel happy? Aha. Well that is an option one can take sure. In this case i do recommend overdosing any stuff.

Anyone can feel free hating as long as it does not affect my hapiness (which does rely on happiness of others) in a sensitive way. Because otherwise i might need to find myself considering. And even then i wont hate.

Negative thoughts are more self-destructive than positive - unless the positive is so extreme it degrades to false optimism. Positive thinking should have an evolutionary edge over negative thinking if it's partly genetically defined. Also, the propagation rate of positive thinkers may be higher...
In their self-destructive potential, negative thoughts are very powerful. It's a miracle that even thinking about negative thoughts is still possible after billions of years of evolution (assuming life in general can have thoughts)

miracle and evolution shouldn't even be used in the same sentence

negative thoughts aren't even relevant to adaptation, they're just subjective constructs like dreams. a person can have negative thoughts, and still get things done that need to be done.
a negative personality is completely different

it's really difficult, if not impossible, to get any conclusive evidence from a study pertaining to the thread title; too many variables, and 'negative' and 'positive' thoughts are subject to interpretation.

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Benzyme, I have to admire that unflappable sense of black and white you have. I do like the balance you bring to this place, contrary to what anyone might think. Having said that, your cheerful nature is rubbing me the wrong way, so may I suggest a solution:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd4tugPM83c


I kid. I kid.


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Yes i like that. It is beyond the question of being positive or negative. Too subjective to be objective (scientific) about.
Still, in my opinion it comes down to 'what works to get things done' for an individual, depending on what you call 'succes'. Only the individual can be the judge of that. But if one is not happy, is that succes?

Some of the context (worldview) is fixed, call it nature, your genes, your environment, situation, history, culture etc. Can be the cause for a 'negative personality' or 'negative thoughts' indeed. If your born in shit you will see shit. But the other part of the context can be manipulated to some extent. This is adaptation. To some extent you can decide it means shit to you.

And nice of Esperidion to put things in perspective.
People that are annoyingly happy should be on drugs.
They are not real, dont trust them.
Balance is optimum.

I think scientific proof is unnecessary, I have proved it to myself time and time again. When I first discovered the whole concept of Karma and whatever energy that you put out into the world comes right back to you.

I decided to test the theory out and prove it to myself as its always important to analyze everything. I discovered that Karma is a really complex system which very much affects us during our current life time as well as our future life times.

Even negative thoughts are just as harmful as negative actions. The only way to discover this for yourself is to test this concept out and prove it to yourself.


Much Peace and Sunshine

LOL

Test it yourself

Rice experiment

If enough actually try this maybe someone will have something to discuss. That actually means something.
Experiments talk bullshit walks.

Peace Out Friends

experiments sit in jars - ppl walk around testing things that alter their experience of life.
no bullshit walks around these here parts, id go by what i experience and learn in my life rather than what some scientists say i should.

Phlux said
ppl walk around testing things that alter their experience of life

Dude that is a experiment.

My post was directed at the thread not the post above mine I almost edited to make that clear before I should have followed my intuition. But I do find it necessary to do so now.
I understand you swift reply and assure you my intent was general.
My best wishes to you and yours enjoy the day Feb 14. I truly mean that. I hope you both can see my sincerity. Aegle I was not knocking your post just responding to the thread.

I dont post here regularly anymore so when I do stop by my response is not directed at anyone. Its a general response.
I am a little to hard core and factual for the Nexus so I have found a place where I can discuss things with people who are also harsh and can accept real critical arguments. I may stop by again next week I will try not to rub anybody wrong.

Peace out Friends

mv - you could call it an experiment, or you could call it living.
no problem dude.