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Apr 27, 2022 — In his mid-50s, a depressed, Yale-trained scientist took a potent psychedelic, saw God, and set out to spread the word.


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Enjoyed the read, thanks for sharing. If there was ever a piece of obvious evidence that the pandemic was known about by pharmaceutical companies before it hit then it's right there in the first half of that article....

Jesus Christ. That's your take away?????

A depressed rich person tries DMT after being released from a psychiatric hold for attempting suicide, then tries to collect followers to some half-assed cult with cash and prizes, makes a passing comment that a pandemic is coming (which every scientist on the planet already knew), and this is evidence to you of a vast conspiracy?

I read that article and see a sad, delusional man who came to a very sad end.

The read was interesting while sitting on the toilet but I dont see his story as anything exceptional. As mentioned multiple times in the article we wouldn't even be reading this if he had not thrown money about like confetti. An open and closed case of another lost human with the means to manipulate his environment in an atrempt to confirm his own thought patterns.

The takeaway that you perhaps take exception to was that his brother Craig used the example of his 'prediction' to describe his prophetic accuracy. Failing to note the obvious link between being high up in the pharma industry and being unable to keep some unwanted knowledge to himself. I dont believe this forum is a good place to debate such sensitive political issues as we've seen unfold in recent years so perhaps my comment was misguided. But since you are asking, yes. To me that is good evidence of something that was not presented publicly.

The earth is still a globe though and I reckon humans probably did walk on the other ball that orbits us. So let's not panic.

Who said he was "high up in the pharmaceutical industry"? Who said he was in the pharmaceutical industry at all?

Your instincts are otherwise good. This is really, really not the place to air out COVID conspiracy theories.

In response to the article, this is what happens when one becomes a slave to their convictions. There's so much that's ultimately unverifiable and subjective (such as his views and ideology around hyperspace) and so much that he never asked himself... A sad story, but some wisdom about one's motivations.

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What about this covid conspiracy theory:

Vladimir putin used russian state media and and fsb-controlled fake social media accounts to spread misinformation about covid and covid vaccines on a massive scale to maximise the number of covid deaths and the economic impact of covid on western nations. And western citizens with an affinity for anti-democratic points of view took the bait, and either knowingly or unknowingly, helped putin to maximise the covid death toll and economic damage.

In other words....many covid conspiracy theories where part of a deliberate attempt to kill as many people as possible.

Maybe i am a bit of a cynic but i personally believe this to be true.

Did we read the same article?

I just re-read it, saw that passage and stand corrected. I had only seen previously that he was a bio-chemist.

He said a bunch of other things, however, ranging from questionable to delusional. I really wouldn’t look to him to validate conspiracy theories.

That certainly seems plausible. FSB controlled social media disinformation campaigns aren’t conspiracy theory. They’re proven fact.

Anti-Russian is ok and believable but anti-big pharma is not. Got it.

How to tell me you are American without telling me you are American

Anyhow, it was just a passing comment on an instinct that lept off the page at me reading another Vice sensationalism. I'm happy to drop it.

I'm not sure that's fair.

I have no love for, or trust in, the pharmaceutical industry. But what you're suggesting is taking the statement "a pandemic is coming" as an indication of actual foreknowledge, when ALL scientists and world leaders have been saying this for years. You're also taking this huge presumptive leap on the back of a man who was delusional.

Vladimir Putin, on the other hand, kills indiscriminately. That is beyond dispute, as is his proven history of social media manipulation.

So... critical thinking?

Yeah. That's my last word on the matter. Let's please not debate it any further.

That's a bit Americanophobe isn't it? I know plenty of Americans who rant hard on the evils of the pharma industry.



Yeah agreed. I'd say it's a classic story of a lost body honeymooning with DMT.

More of a bit of tongue in cheek sparring Hug. I love everyone, Americans and Russians included.

My only true phobia is raw tomato

Conspiracy theories tend to be pretty divisive. That's the main reason we don't realy want to have those kind of topics discussed here.

But it is possible to look at for instance the covid outbreak from a rational, analytical point of view.

There is actually plenty of evidence to suggest that the virus could have escaped from the wuhan institute of virology by accident. With the emphasis on "could".

I'm gonna quote the wikipedia page on the covid-19 lab leak theory here:

"an intelligence probe requested by president biden assessed that the chinese government did not have foreknowledge of the outbreak. Overall, the probe did not render conclusive results on the origins. Of eight assembled teams, one (the FBI) leaned towards a lab leak theory, four others where inclined to uphold a zoonotic origin, and three where unable to reach a conclusion. British intelligence agencies believe it is feasable that the virus began with a leak from a chinese laboratory".

Unfortunately, the current chinese government is not ever going to be a reliable source of information on this. They totally would try to cover it up if the virus indeed would have escaped a chinese lab by accident. That is just how totalitarian regimes operate.

They even spread rumors, in retaliation of the wuhan lab-leak theory, that the virus did not escape a chinese facility, but an american facility instead.

That is just the CCP mentality:"you say it escaped one of my labs...well, i say it escaped one of your labs".

I fear this is as close to the truth as we'll ever come, untill the glorious, infallible and heroïc party leaders in bejing who are such pure, angelic souls with a great dedication to truth and human rights, are gonna give full disclosure on everything they have related to the covid outbreak.

Maybe it was zoonosis, maybe a lab-leak. But if there would have been any evidence of chinese foreknowledge, the american intelligence agencies sure would have loved to share it with the world.

Especially under the biden administration, considering biden is: 1- known to see china as the main threat to american interests and he is desperately trying to form an international coalition against chinese expansion in the south china sea or towards taiwan, and, 2- that the republicans constantly accuse him of being pro-china.

NIH funding in Wuhan is now also undeniable fact. Fauci seems to have vanished from the spotlight and possibly off the face of the earth. I think the assumption that disclosure would be eagerly welcomed by the western powers misses the fact that Wuhan was definitely not a solo project by the Chinese.

There were too many lies, was too much propaganda, far too much divide and rule enacted on earth's people.


The saddest thing is that we as a species are just going to let it all slide. Yet again. Proving once more what a herd of docile cattle we really are.

We cannot even discuss it without potentially causing friction between each other. That alone should be enough evidence to prove that something is not right.

Societies around the world are generally gaslit presently.

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Yep.

There have been some attempts by westerners who where commercially involved with the wuhan facility, to silence rumors about a possible lab leak. Peter daszek being the most prominent one.

But many western researchers who where involved had already been distancing themselves from the wuhan institute of virology, way before the covid outbreak, because they considered the chinese to be reckless with regards to safety measures.

And chinese-american relations have been going downhill for a very long time, and realy started to turn sour under the obama administration. Mostly because of joe biden's involvement in US foreign policy, who always considered china to be the number one threat.

So i don't share this view. America now considers china an enemy. And an even greater enemy than russia.

America's involvement in ukraine is very much based on the assumption that russian succes in ukraine could set a precedent for china to invade taiwan. Ukraine itself is of relatively little strategic importance to the U.S. but the semiconductor industry in taiwan is of vital importance.

So i mean, anything that could set china in a bad light, anything, would be more than welcomed by the current U.S. administration. Especially a deliberately planned pandemic.

And nothing in fauci's disclosed emails indicates that he tried to cover anything up. Snippets from his e-mails have been taken out of context by right-wing media, after trump started using fauci as a scapegoat for all of his own failures.

For instance when he said to a collegue that the lab-leak theory was plausible and needed further investigation, his words where twisted to suggest that he already knew it was a fact. Words like "plausible" where deliberately omitted by some of the media to make it seem as if he wasn't talking to his collegues about the mere possibility, but about matters of fact.

No, i don't think the american government would try to cover up chinese failures. Especially not because they could have easily washed their hands clean of it after many western researchers openly started to distance themselves from their involvement with the wuhan lab. They could have easily pointed out that they'd been warning about chinese negligence, years before the outbreak even occurred.

That wouldn't just have vindicated them, it would have completely fitted their current agenda.

It is also interesting to note that the chinese vaccines where relatively inneffective compared to western vaccines. So it would have been quite stupid of them if they'd deliberately released a deadly virus, not to have a superior vaccine at hand when they should have had years in advance to devellop it, if it would all have been meticulously planned.

Let's either start a new thread or shut down this conversation. It has derailed from the OP and we're treading into dangerous territory.

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