I have been working my way up extrememly high doses of DMT over the past year. (Insufflated, as I just can't get the smoking methods to work out.) And after a point I have began to notice that I can have a second breakthrough, so to speak. (This is what I mean when I refer to a "second plateu". The first breakthrough for me is typical to what people describe it as, with the entities and complex geometry and whatnot. But after a certain point I "go beyond" even that, and break through that area into another. On the second level all of the geometry simplifies and there are no entities or beings. Just walls and walls of fast moving, simple 2d geometry. The colours also simplify over there, There aren't more than 2 or 3 at any given time. The most complex geometry over there are corners and shapes that appear both concave and convex at the same time (4d if you will) but I never experience those for very long.
But the real defining feature of that area in the DMTverse to me is the intensity of feelings and emotions. I will either feel the most profound joy, the most intense existential confusion or the most primal, horrid gut wrenching fear. Sometimes multiple. If you aren't ready to let go this place will brutalize you. For example I remember one particular incident where that reality was trying to convince me that I had died, but I refused to listen. I spent an eternity swimming in a sea of simple geometry muttering "I am a person that exists". All the while I began to forget more and more about existence. I eventually forgot everything about existence after I admitted to myself "I am dead". Then suddenly all the geometry disappeared around me and I was consumed by the void of nothingness for another eternity, and just as I was about to become one with the void I was pulled right out kicking and screaming like a newborn. Recall I had forgotten everything about existence, so when I came back naturally I was terrified of all the new things around me. It took me a while to remeber all of it again, it came back to me slowly. Now I have an idea of what it must be like coming into the world as a baby. It was a bad trip in every sense of the word. But I managed to intergrate it at very least.
This quote makes so much sense now


CAUTION: I strongly advise against these dosages. I have a gasket loose in my head but even so, I don't ever see myself going back to this place. It is too risky in so many ways. My stupidity should not be yours. Unless you can look at yourself in the mirror and honestly say "I am ready for the worst fear, grief, anxiety and misery I have ever experienced." Don't do dosages over 300mg. (Hell even if you think you are, you probably aren't.)

Do you think it is possible that there is some 5Meo-DMT in your product.
The 2d, less colorful visuals, the "void", the "extreme joy or extreme fear", and other descriptions bring 5Meo to mind.

Disclaimer: I'm totally inexperienced with DMT itself but reasonably so with 5Meo. My thoughts are to be taken with a grain of salt, possibly a grain of morphine.

No sir. I know the guy who made the batch. I do not think he'd make a mistake like that or mislead me intentionally.

Holy cow, how do you manage to snort 300mg? I tried maybe 10mg through the nose and decided that's not for me As someone who used to enjoy nasal MDMA in a previous life...

Well, for me the body load of DMT is numbing. So it doesn't hurt for very long. First 15 seconds are like a horse kicked your nose. Then nothing

Thats fascinating. But to clarify those weren't my only visuals. At such high doses the normal DMTverse is like the "waiting room". And you launch through it

Very interesting topic!
I have never bothered to reach such high dosages. But one of the first times I vaporized DMT I had my most profound experience to this day.

I took 50 mg in a changa blend, three hits in total, in a small wood with pine and oak trees.
The come up was almost instantaneous.

I was launched into this orange/red organic space, moving really fast. It was fractal-like but also hyper-dimensional. It looked halfway between the interior parts of a flower and a temple. There were deepspace-black humanoid figures looking at me from its arches.

The flower/temple kept moprhing at increasing speed and I was travelling through it. But I wasn't moving in a linear way, it was like I reached every part of the flower simultaneously. And inside each one of its microscopic particles there was another infinite flower. It was endless. And I remember I was a split second away from grasping that endlessness, and then as soon as it happened "I" stopped existing. There was just existence.
It was a feeling of infinite freedom and bliss that's impossible to put into words.

Then on the comedown I traveled through the flower in the same way I did on the comeup, there were the same entities looking at me from the arches, the same orange/red color, and then I was in the wood I had smoked in.

I was lying down on the grass and when I breathed in it felt like I had been holding my breathe since the beginning of the trip (impossible since 15-20 minutes had passed).
And I couldn't remember my name. I tried to say something as if I wanted to make sense of what had happened but the words were disconnected from each other.
Several minutes passed before I could remember my name and how to think/speak properly.

Thats interesting...
Very similar to what I felt on the comedown

Maybe this is what happens when the experience is too intense for us and our mind takes time to "resume".
As you've had several "2nd BT" experiences, did this happen every time?

No, only one of three times. But the 2nd breakthrough thing did seem to be consistent throughout

Just to clarify, presumably you were snorting freebase? It may be worthy of note, some good number of years ago I curtailed my insufflatory experiments after a small fleshy chunk dropped out of my nostril. I didn't bother examining it in any detail so for all we know I could be better off without it.
Loose gasket? This sounds like a job for harmala alkaloids. Have you ever contemplated including harmala alkaloids in your explorations? They may help guide you towards the kind of depth that you are perhaps looking for.

And, welcome to the Nexus!