If you want potency..try an alcohol extraction of crushed rue seed...


Its very potent!

I still need to try that. Usually i either use the raw seed powder in capsules, or i use a homemade full spectrum freebased extract in a capsule.

How's the dosing on the alcohol extract? Like, can you somewhat accurately weigh out a dose or is it just you get what you get? lol. I think the alcohol extract will be the next thing i try. How's your process for doing it, if you don't mind?

I still need to try that. Usually i either use the raw seed powder in capsules, or i use a homemade full spectrum freebased extract in a capsule.

How's the dosing on the alcohol extract? Like, can you somewhat accurately weigh out a dose or is it just you get what you get? lol. I think the alcohol extract will be the next thing i try. How's your process for doing it, if you don't mind?

I went today for 2 grams of mimosa with a friend and redosed twice with a little of harmalas. This might be some sort of sweet spot, where you have sufficient control and freedom to go deeper. This might be a good initial dose to start experimenting and might be a good dose for advanced study, where you exercise your sensitivity.

Thank you for thus tidbit my friend. I reinitiated my journey with pharma yesterday with 20mg of DMT (which I think is about equivalent to 2g of MHRB), and 4g of rue. It was mild, but therapeutic and really enjoyable.

When you redosed was with MRHB or just harmalas?

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I'd like to share this method of ingestion I have been using for quite a while now which I find very convenient. It's as simple as this:

1. Ground max 4 g of syrian rue (3g if you are inexperienced)
2. Add liquid of your choise. (Removed previous instruction to soak it lemon. You can try that too, the come up may be less sudden, but boy it tastes bad)
3. Drink
4. Wait for about 45 minutes (depending on how empty your stomach is)
5. Mix approx 2-4 g of powdered mimosa hostilis root bark with the liquid of your choice (you can try lemon as per suggested before). Edit: If this is your first time, take just one gram to see how sensitive you are!
6. Drink.

Take a few drops of lemon essential oil to reduce nausea. Encapsulating the oil is best, if possible. You can also rub this to your chest and armpits if you don't like the taste. If you need, a very tiny amount of cannabis can help ease the nausea (avoid getting stoned!). Practice controlling the feeling of nausea through breathing and relaxing your stomach.

Adjust the dosage and the ratio of harmalas to DMT to find the level you feel comfortable with. Challenge yourself every now and then by taking a little larger dose.

Make your environment comfortable and keep comforting music at hand. If you have clean home and a nice respectful setting, with maybe candles and incense, it helps you a lot to get into a mood that gives a positive tone for the experience.

If this is a TEK that works for you, I'd be glad to hear about it!

Edit: Lemon is bad for your teeth, so if you do this often, you might want to use something less acidic, like apple juice. The point of using acid is to extract alkaloids, but your gastrointestinal juices are very acidic anyway, so it might not be that important. You can make the brew taste better with a good amount of honey. Roasting the rue seeds makes them taste better, but you may need to use more of them.

the rue paste after alcohol evaporation... is very sticky .. and you need to let the paste dry atleast 3 days so you can handel it when its more dry...


the dosing isnt to complicated.. if you start with [only 1 to 3 grams rue of seed]..that in itself is a safe dose...if you are going oral...

but i wouldent sugest taking all the rue paste orally because it is very potent...

If you try sublingual it takes much less paste!... and is very potent ...


When dry enough to handel i scrape it up with razor blade ..roll into little ....
[mouse dropping sized balls!!] between my fingers and let dry further..

I took only one half of a tiny ball of rue paste spice sublingually..and soon as i vaped only 15 mgs of spice on top if it.... i layed down and very quickly an invisable body suit or [lead blanket] rolled over my body from head to toe!

I felt great like i had an energy body instead of a physical one!

Great head space ..no anxiety at all...my two hands felt like glowing balls of energy !

I was lying on a cloud...covered with an energy blanket ..i was experiancing a disconnect from my physical body...

[had i tool a larger dose of spice im shure it would have been very visual!


I felt close to an Out of body experiance..had i let myself drift asleep!

That tiny bit of rue paste sublingually one in contact with even a small dose of vaped spice was very strong!

I think the alcohol extraction method takes out more actives from the seed...much more tha simple tea...

I tested a new recipe today. I put in 6 g of grounded peganum harmala and mimosa hostilis root bark in a half litre plastic bottle and let it sit for a week before consuming. I discarded some of the more gross solids before ingesting. This enabled me to take a small sip when I felt like I want to go deeper.

Why are you guys tossing and washing plant powder?

Interesting, are you putting them in just plain filtered water and 3g of each? Does this reduce nausea at all? Also isn't there a chance it might rot if you leave it in room temperature?

In a more general question, what exactly causes the nausea with Aya/ana/pharma-huasca? I read that all drugs that interact with the 5HT 2A receptor will cause nausea, but from these threads it seems like the rue causes most of the nausea. I have also heard of the plant matter being the cause.

Weirdly enough, I had my first changa experience recently and experienced 0 nausea (it was a smaller dose (around 25 mg of DMT/harmalas each) to be fair) whereas other psychedelics definitely make me nauseous.