I flip the canning lids and use these silicone seals. Also available for wide mouth mason jars.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XPH8QN3

Interestingly, these seals do not work well with limonene because the seals expand (a lot!) They work fine for ethyl acetate.

Shroom farmers know all the jar lid tricks!

Pretty much.

I didn't see any goo/oil changes over the days past, so I syringed the goo off the bottom into a smaller jar. Doing that was enough pressure to cloud it up in the smaller jar with the additional extract I pulled along. I'm waiting for it to settle down now so I can pull more of the clear extract off the top and try something like suggested: evaporating or adding fresh EA, or something with M seed crystal or fumaric acid.

I guess it didn't hurt leaving it.

But keen to hear what results you get Starbob.

After settling and pulling off as much non-goo top layer extract as much I could, I added ~60mL of fresh EA. I don't think the goo itself could be more than ~15mL, more like <10mL maybe idk? Anyway the goo changed immediately, thickening and sticking to the bottom. It looks kind of like elmer's glue now. Again the syringe I was using kinda put too much pressure behind the fresh EA shot into it and the goo got kinda blasted on the bottom. Before settling a bit there was actually spiderweb like strands of the goo floating around.

I failed to mention earlier that after maybe a day the goo went back to being clear again; so clear that by today I had to use the UV light to separate it as much as I could from the top extract layer.
So the the change to this white color is also new, and I'm assuming it's not going to clear up again this time. I guess I'll wait and see again if it changes further since I'll be out of town a few days again.
I still have the top layer extract with a tiny bit of goo at the bottom (I gave up on pulling out), so I guess I'll add fumaric acid to that jar now and give it a swirl.

I sprinkled some fine mescaline citrate granules in instead, trying to target over where the last of the goo is centralized after swirling and leaving it tilted. I figure if that doesn't result in anything I can still throw fumaric acid in later.

I’m going through this exact situation right now as well. I’d love to hear how it goes. I ran my EA through 4 coffee filters, I did 6 pulls, on the last I noticed some goo come out so I separated it from the rest in a shot glass decanted and separated it. It was much darker than any photos I have seen on here, so I ran it through a Buchner to collect any additional sediment. It was still very dark so then I went to salt/citric it. This morning after 12 hours I started noticing a goo layer forming. I am waiting patiently to see you you resolve yours. Any advice additionally would be welcome and appreciated.

Opting to attempt something different so we have a wider test group. Upped the citric acid to 15 and out on a megnetic stirrer. Once dissolved it startied to precipitate a more crystalline sap that I will leave for 72 hours and then filter or Evan depending on consistency.

And so the goo has assimilated a new member!

What were all your starting values? Was it a full tek 100g batch?

I came back a few days later and nothing changed with my two jars from what I could tell.
Small jar with most of the goo had no change, still elmers glue. I gave it a swirl, but its really gluey so I scratched it around a bit with a long sharp dental tool and lifted a tiny bit up to see how it evaporates and solidifies.
So what to do with the glue goo? I could decant off the fresher EA I added, then evaporate it or add another round of fresh EA.
Fumaric acid and stir?

Big original extract jar with little goo didn't seem to really change to the sprinkled M citrate at all. So I gave a hard swirling and let it rest overnight tilted so the goo would be centralized. Today the goo is somewhat opaque to normal light, sticky around where the M citrate crystals are but still liquid.
Fumaric acid and stir?

I decanted the small jar's EA with most of the goo and added that EA to the larger original salting jar. Added fresh EA again to the small jar and I'll see how it goes. Maybe the 2 rounds of fresh EA and scratching it will eventually start crystallizing like orchidist saw in one case (if I read that correctly).
Over 8 hours later and the little dab of elmers gluey goo I pulled up to dry ...is still gluey. If it doesn't dry out overnight again I'll probably add some warm water to it and see if if that will thin out to evap.

After adding that decanted fresher EA to the main extract jar, I gave it a hard swirl and left it not really expecting much. Just peeking at it a bit later it's crystallizing!

Trituration ftw! We really should have thought of this a bit sooner


Nice fern patterns, too

oh I cannot contain my joy right now, but still so many questions

Super excited to see that my results could be replicated! That's exactly what my crystals looked like after trituration. The fresh solvent turned acidic for me, which leads me to believe that the goo contains excess citric acid, for whatever reason.

It's nice to see that the crystallization starts more quickly than I thought. I forgot about mine for over a week before checking again.

I'm a little confused now; did the 1st fresh EA (in the smaller jar of most of the goo) actually pull out M from the goo? So when I decanted that off back into the original extract jar it had M in it? Or just adding M seed crystals, some semi-fresh EA, and hard swirling in the original extract jar triggered crystallization on the little remaining goo in there?
Attached pic of both jars current state for clarity.
To summarize from the point of oiling out after salting 72hrs:
(not including all time/days passed)
(not all of this was originally mentioned here, some from my personal notes)
- swirled it on many occasions, was very clear, thin and hard to differentiate
- refrigerated awhile, goo thickened up
- added <1/4tsp citric acid, goo became opaque
- mag stirrer, messy sticking to jar walls
- water bath ~150F, stayed sticky
- some time above: original extract started reflecting red to standard LED lights
- with time consistency maybe goo thinner, but not like originally
- swirled alot and set jar to settle diagonally
- pipetted out goo from original extract jar into small jelly jar
- maybe aerated by pressure in syringe, left jelly jar to settle with alot of extract
- decanted top layer extract (leaving goo) from jelly jar back into original jar
- added ~60mL? of fresh EA to small jelly jar
- with syringe this blasted the goo on the bottom, goo turned to very opaque white glue
- original extract jar: had small droplet amounts of goo left
- original extract jar: swirled, left to settle diagonally
- original extract jar: sprinkled M citrate crystals over centralized goo
- few days later, no changes to either jar
- orig. jar: swirled & left diagonally in same position, goo more opaque and sticky
- glue jar: scratched up the glue on the bottom and removed a dab to evap separately
- next day, no changes really noticeable to orig extract jar, small glue jar, or dab evapping
- glue jar: decanted EA, into the original extract jar
- glue jar: added 2nd round of fresh EA ~60mL
- orig jar: hard swirled left to settle,
- orig jar: in a short time (<4hrs?) crystallization started
- orig jar: may still have some goo, white mass at bottom

I've still got most of the goo in the smaller jar (still really gluey).

I tapped the white mass at the bottom of the original extract jar, and it cracked apart into pieces; definitely not goo anymore!

- glue jar: scratched at the glue some more, swirled it up no changes really
- did so again next day nada, maybe glue became more solidified
- added some M citrate crystals to center of glue jar and swirled hard repeatedly
- another day, scratching more and swirling causes fine particles in EA to become cloudy
- 2 days later scratched all from glass, now it's all solid particles/granules

I figure I'll recombine it all now back to the original jar and filter it sometime soon to be done with it.

So, if I understand your steps, in both cases you needed to triturate the goo/glue with fresh solvent AND some mescaline citrate.

I think a big difference between your goo run and previous good xtalization runs is going to be mescaline concentration in your EA. Let us know your yields and amount of solvent you were Xtalizing from please.

It seems that with low mescaline yield/concentration, a goo can form with excess citric acid. That would also explain orchidist's results (~0.35% yield gave goo). If so, orchidist has shown that fumaric is not as sensitive to this parameter region. This jives with comments that Mindlusion made about xtalization dynamics and how important concentration is.

Just a possible theory. Not sure it is right. Your yields will be an interesting data point (including yields from previously successful runs).