Hi:
I am a 66 year old man, freshly retired. I've been reading the board on and off for years.

I've been fascinated by this subject for a while. I now have time in life to possibly explore it, but maybe not the time or place to extract (family).

I've put out a few feelers with friends and don't expect much response. So I do have a question.
I've been reading that the MHRB is becoming more watched and less available. I would like to keep a very low profile. What is the easiest source and the easiest way to process that source?

My goal would be to explore my relationship with my creator and my ultimate destination.
I am a religious man, albeit one who thinks it likely that not "all of me" will live on. Thoughts pondered from past exploration decades ago.

Greetings and welcome to the forum. Glad you've decided to join us.



Unfortunately, sourcing discussions of watched materials is banned per forum rules. Further information on forum rules and guidelines can be found here.

Be well, and welcome again.

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Warm welcome brokedownpalace10! I hope to reach your age in good health and dedicate my time for the same pursuit. Ayahuasca came into my life in a time I felt I had reached the limit my intellectual pondering can take me and it has been a beautiful ride. It has given me so much perspective on religion and helped me reconcile with my past beliefs.

If you have the stomach (quite literally), there's no need to do extraction. Just take the plant material and let go.

Please, keep us updated about your journey as you embark!

Thank you so much. I've read quite a few of your posts.

I was wondering if there was another source as good as MHRB for a newbie dabbler which was not watched.
I could research the rest myself.

If the above is something I should not ask, please delete my post. And thanks for your input.

Thanks so much, sir!
I am indeed just slightly familiar with what you mean by "have the stomach", having experimented a little bit with rue about 25 years ago.
Things were new and knowledge was more limited at the time and I never was very successful with the admixture plants.
I'm somewhat aware of the "stomach" thing, though.

I'm a bit scared of duration at the moment.

Your options are going to be MHRB, Acacia confusa, chaliponga (Diplopterys cabrerana) and chacruna (psychotria viridia). I think there are other options (such as certain types of phalaris), but these are off the top of my head.



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Which of those would be most like the MHRB, though? As in high in DMT and low in less desirable things.

I did find MHRB fairly easily, but I kinda want to keep my head down.

It's not exactly the same thing, but the closest plant is Acacia Confusa. Acacia can require a defat step, which isn't always a facet of Tenuiflora exraction. The other plants involve chlorophyll, which can make things more complicated; it's more-so suited for tea. Acacia Confusa is also known as "The Thinking of Each Other Tree". I've yet to try Jurema, but from what I understand the experience is unique.

If I recall correctly, chaliponga is about 1% DMT by weight (leaves).

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Yeah, a plant with just or mostly DMT is more similar to MHRB.

My bad, I was at work, and answering on the fly. I wanted to piggyback off of Jupiter Man about acacia and its similarities to mimosa. They both have high density of concentration of alkaloids in the root bark. With chaliponga, I'd need to verify the contents of the root bark, but the leaves alone have a good amount.

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Hello and welcome!

Don't forget the bundleflowers, Desmanthus illinoiensis and D. leptolobus. They might not reach the magic 1% figure but they can be grown from seed and could be a good option for the long haul.

Fortunately, discussion of live plants and seeds is more permissible. And if you're wanting a rapid return (and let's face it, at some point waiting thirty years for a result ceases to be an option...) you might want to consider mushroom cultivation.

I see that you've had some experience with Syrian rue. It could be a worthwhile thing for you to revisit in the course of spiritual inquiry, even just by itself. What do you recall from those previous times? Did you ever combine it with anything else psychoactive/psychedelic, besides the (unsuccessful?) admixture plants? There's a lot more to rue than simple MAO inhibition. Not to mention the possibility of rue+shrooms [shruemahuasca?]

Is Desmanthus illinoiensis useful? I had read that it was very variable and many have discounted it.
I have 5-6 Desmanthus illinoiensis plants in my back yard right now. I grew it years ago and never used it. It's readily spread by birds and popped up in a few corners of the yard other than my garden. I have been avoiding it while mowing for a couple decades in the hopes of facilitating it's spread in my area.
I grew leptolobus in the garden as well, but it never took off very well and I eventually gave up on it.

I tried rue for the first time when I was a teenager, just by smoking and never to potentiate anything.

Fast forward to the early 90's and I was reading about Ayahuasca. I tried to accomplish that a couple times, but the admixtures I had were not good.
It was always with the 2-3 grams of rue considered the minimum required for MAO inhibition. The last time I tried, it did change the experience noticeably, but it was just a dreamy state with extra color enhancement.

A short time after that, 5meo-DMT became available to me. I smoked rue with that in low doses a number of times.
One time, I was on a stronger dose of 5meo and I smoked just 4-5 rue seeds. That was a bit scary, even on that small amount of rue.
Smoked rue on mushrooms once or twice.

This was going on at about the time my daughter was 2 or 3. Shortly thereafter, I could see she was becoming more aware. I decided to stop all such things and concentrate on raising her. I think psychedelics actually enhanced me getting in touch with her when she was very young, but I did not want to influence her with that lifestyle once she got older. That's her decision to make.

I did do mushrooms one more time at a more substantial dose (for me) and met my shadow. A significant experience which I will always remember. Your shadow is you, ya know. It's the fears and drives and irrational energy which helps you survive.
Can't fight it, can't reason with it, just gotta love it and try to guide it. I call it my "baby".

As an aside, my daughter's 24 now and I've suggested microdosing mushrooms to her for her migraines.

So, my attitude back then was that I had a job to do and that I needed to concentrate on that. I retired about a year ago and now have no job to do. I have relaxed my lifestyle in a number of ways. Mushrooms are fairly easily available. I haven't gone there. I'm thinking of Pedro.

However, I'm fascinated by the reports I've read on DMT. It seems a different league.
People saying they're not scared of dying anymore is nice, ya gotta admit.

I've read over the extraction teks. Some of them seem pretty do-able.
This guy's a little strange, but what do you think of this tek.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTVOruahks0

Simpler stuff like this STB seems to be dependent on using MHRB though, not sure.
Thus me asking about that and wondering if it is necessary for the simpler teks.
However, I do understand that might be a difficult subject.
Thanks a whole bunch for your input.

Welcome aboard brokedownpalace10

I would like to offer a little encouragement with some of the teks that require a few more steps. If you can manage the straight to base, adding a defat beforehand can make some of the more obscure plants available, especially if you can work with what everyone around here likes to call “goo”. If you get that far, recrystalization is right around the corner, but not necessary.

I also wanted to mention that RIMA’s, like those in rue, are contraindicated for 5MEO and the combination can be fatal.

And one more vote for, “give the shrooms another try”, while you’re getting your DMT sorted

I've been out in my yard the last few weeks doing pre-spring cleaning. One thing I did was to break down and restart a compost heap which had a Desmanthus illinoensis plant in it.
Remembering this thread, I did dig up the plant and moved it elsewhere in the yard.
I also stripped off all the seeds from it and the other Desmanthus volunteers and tossed them onto a compost heap I am starting at my ladyfriend's house.

Since the plant was brought up earlier in the thread, hoping I can ask here...
What is the latest conclusion on Desmanthus illinoensis? Is it worth it for an Ayahuasca brew? And at what quantities if so?

The few extractions I’ve done on illinoensis had a very disappointing yield, though the Nexus member BundleflowerPower has had luck with brews. The caveat being that illinoensis can contain gramine and hordenine, which some consider potentially harmful, even though they are available as dietary supplements for weight loss etc. These chemicals can be removed during a typical a/b or a to b extraction that employs petroleum ether (read: hardware store naphtha) as your nonpolar solvent. I don’t know whether to suspect that there’s something that has psychotropic properties that isn’t selected by the extraction methods I’ve used, or to assume there’s a lot of variability from plant to plant depending upon growing conditions, genetics, time of harvest, or age of plant. If I recall properly, the illinoensis that grows near BundleflowerPower, are very large specimens towering over a human, that grow through the mild winters in his area, and mine are barely to my waist or smaller.

I’ve not had luck keeping leptolobus alive either, but it’s my understanding that they’re more consistent with having a higher concentration of dmt.

Thanks.
I think that, for the moment, I will just try to keep any Desmanthus volunteers going "just in case" they have redeeming social value.
Much like my Echinacea, it would just be cool to see them coming up in places near me. Repopulating Echinacea or making Desmanthus indigenous just by growing it myself seems a worthy goal.
My Desmanthus is waist to chest high, but I'm 6'5". Dies back every midwestern winter here.

My feeling at this point is that things will happen if I simply continue life with intent and purpose. I will put out feelers with friends as to the subject of this forum and do idle inquiries as to the mushrooms you suggest.

However, if I do find the perfect time for a more lengthy pursuit. I think I do have a couple of cacti I have had growing for years on my windowsill.

Thanks again for your informational answer.