Voidmatrix wrote:Very cool Dirty T. I'm enjoying it.
Some food for thought: is it not an assumption that there is what we would like to call "reality?" If there is a reality, do we not assume it's "rational." If there is a reality, is it possible it's an amalgam of other, potentially contradictory and disparate realities? If there is a reality and what we experience is not it, then what is our standard, metric, and framework for identifying the "real" reality? Do we not simply have only what seems and not what is?
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I don't think we'll ever truly understand reality itself. We can only give our "real world user interface" a little upgrade sometimes.
We tend to believe that something is real if there is an actual object that corresponds with the concept of that something.
So then the material world as we know it, should be real, if we would be able to identify an object that corresponds with our concept of an object within the material world.
We often think that finding such an object would be impossible. But i can find such an object of wich i know it actually exists and that corresponds to something in our conceptual framework of the material world: "me".
The problem, i think, is the nature of the correspondance. It doesn't say anything about the true nature of the object. It could be something completely different from our concepts. Maybe even something that contradicts the concept it corresponds to completely.
But isn't that also true, when we do scientific research, wich completely takes place within the phenomenal world?
Would we also be inclined to say that matter isn't real, if experiments with particle accelerators would reveal that particles are not what we think they are?
I don't think so.
So what's the difference then? In both cases we know that there is something that corresponds to our concept of a material object, and that the true nature of it may be completely different from what that material thing seems to be.
But in one case, we would all believe that we've actually discovered something. While in the other case, it seems we've only been playing a semantic game.
It is true that in the case of the particle experiment, we could maybe deduce the link from our experience of material objects to "waves", or "fields", or "information".
But wouldn't that require, for matter to be real, that we should know it completely and there would be no information missing anywhere within the framework?
I don't know.
But i tend to believe, that in both cases, we can only speak of "real" within the context of the framework itself, and anything we can imagine outside of it, will always turn out to be only just an imagination inside of it.
At least for as long as we actually are inside of it ourselves.
So then we would have no choice but believing it's all real, even though it still could be a simulation.
Would that make any sense at all?