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Triptofaun
#21 Posted : 8/11/2021 3:08:46 PM

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Sexual energy is the only one energy that we have, said the Mexican shaman Don Juan Matus.

So why then we shoud waste it on procreation, when we can open an endless universe of incredible discoveries?
 

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#22 Posted : 8/11/2021 3:28:55 PM

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My Viking brothers (Amanita pantherina):
Sexual energy is the only one energy that we have, said the Mexican shaman Don Juan Matus.

So why then we shoud waste it on procreation, when we can open an endless universe of incredible discoveries?
 
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#23 Posted : 8/11/2021 6:25:23 PM

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bismillah wrote:
I'm ambivalent about collective trips, and I would be scared to be a shaman.


I'm presently taking psychedelic sitter/facilitator/guide classes, and in them (and my practice prior to taking these classes) always highlight the necessity for self regulation being a prime focus in these endeavors with others. In some respects, the teaching leans towards being a secondary nervous system for those being guided. I have had some pretty intense experiences sitting and guiding others. It can be a lot and often requires a great deal of inner work after any session/ceremony.

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#24 Posted : 8/11/2021 7:08:37 PM

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Voidmatrix wrote:
I'm presently taking psychedelic sitter/facilitator/guide classes, and in them (and my practice prior to taking these classes) always highlight the necessity for self regulation being a prime focus in these endeavors with others. In some respects, the teaching leans towards being a secondary nervous system for those being guided. I have had some pretty intense experiences sitting and guiding others. It can be a lot and often requires a great deal of inner work after any session/ceremony.

I trip sat for a close friend this past weekend. He had an amazing first experience with psychedelic medicine (shrooms). He was lying down on the carpet and I sat next to him on my meditation bench. Very gently acknowledging and guiding as minimally necessary. In his words, he had one of the most amazing experiences of his life.

It was also a great experience for me as I felt very peaceful and present the whole time. And very grateful to be included in such a transformative experience for him. So I know what you mean by almost being a second nervous system for the voyager.
 
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#25 Posted : 8/11/2021 10:05:23 PM
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Triptofaun wrote:
My Viking brothers (Amanita pantherina - 5-Meo-DMT + Bufotein):



What a stunning and wonderfully shot video. I felt myself very drawn in. I very much appreciate your posts. Big grin It just felt so.....real lol
May we continue to be blessed
 
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#26 Posted : 8/15/2021 6:20:06 PM

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i love it during group ayahuasca ceremonies, there is sometime a moment, when the trip is strong, that i like to think of as a spiral or a vortex. every participant are having there individual trip, although they are sharing the same place. but comes a moment where these individual experience start to spiralize between one an other, merging toward an invisible center. then the ceremony starts to turn into a kind of spaceship of inter connection. everything becomes synchronize, and people sing or do or say things just at the right moment, it is lovely to watch, seems like an elaborate dance. the individual minds are connected in an egregore and it is this beautiful feeling of community. after this kind of ceremonies i feel connected to the participant at a very deep, intimate level, sometime feeling in a odd way closer to them, who are sometime complete stranger ,then from close friends i haven't have this kind of experience with. it is like we share a secret, we've seen the naked gnoses, we've seen each other soul. to look like this deep into one an other soul during an ayahuasca ceremony is a kind of connection that can feel more intimate then to make love.

skilled shamans are expert in manipulating this spirallizing waves, getting the force to be individual and purgative and then turning it collective and extatic. i have heard ( although have never seen it myself) of shamans who are able to suck a difficult vision out of someone body and take it in there own, to then blow it out of the space, or even take a vision from one participant and project it into an other. the santo daime is a set and setting really built toward construction of such egregore, with it collective singing, uniforms, collective dancing, and the simple fact that the concentration rituals happens worldwide, twice a month, so that every daimista of the planet can participate of the same trip, sort of. it is a ritual that in my opinion aims at erasing the individual ego into the supra consciousness that is the daime, or juramidam, the spirit of mestre irineu who became the daime itself. but in doing so it tends to erase the more personal and dark aspect of the ayahuasca experience of one facing his own shadows, handling his fears in a journey of dying before death that must be taken alone. in sufism it is often says that god as two aspect, a terrifying masculine side and an ecstatic loving feminine side. a good ayahuasca ceremony is like breathing, inhale exhale, it must bring you toward the two face of god, confronting your inner obscurity alone, being under the earth, in the deep, and then collectively and victoriously becoming one with the group, ecstatically merging in a being one that is unconditional love . there is a Brazilian ayahuasca song that i like that says ayahuasca come from the earth, come from the earth and goes toward the sky. one cannot shortcut the experience of loneliness and helplessness to go directly to heaven, it is a battle that need to be won, ceremony after ceremony, because we can only penetrate into this space of being one when walking with the truth, and walking with the truth means challenging our fear, to accept to be alone.

i also think that there is a deep magic involve with this kind of ceremonies, and the people that participate are there because they are suppose to. it is like a chain that bounds people together, and the snake pass from one person to the other, putting in synergy people fear, trauma, dreams and hope towards a collective healing. everything happens as it is supposed to, and one need to trust the medicine. it is not uncommon for example, that the master of ceremony feels sick just at the right moment, where the participant he is watching upon are doing fine, so that he can go and vomit without it being a problem for the work being done. when i am in ceremonies where i have this role of being upfront, canalizing the waves, i find that the ayahuasca let me be very concentrate and focus, very often with lesser visions then when i am in a ceremony where i don't have this responsibility, but with a greater intuition. and when the medecine hits hard, it is generally in a moment where the other are doing fine, or when there is somebody in the ceremony who have the experience and is in condition to takeover
 
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#27 Posted : 8/16/2021 5:28:05 PM

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The world of First Sight exists in the wave of time. It does not exist without time. Therefore, I like to turn off everything that reminds of time - clock, music, songs or communication, in any form, any sounds ...
When time stops, there is a passage to another universe without the Ego. After all, the Ego is all our time of the past, the memory of the past, which does not exist without relying on hopes and expectations from the future. When the Ego stops, the hands on the clock stop and the Second Sight opens.
When shaman is sing the icaro - we are exist in present time and hyperspase not so hyper...imho
Sexual energy is the only one energy that we have, said the Mexican shaman Don Juan Matus.

So why then we shoud waste it on procreation, when we can open an endless universe of incredible discoveries?
 
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#28 Posted : 8/16/2021 10:00:31 PM
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Powerful words. Both of you.
May we continue to be blessed
 
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