Carlos Castaneda has a concept of the Rule, where the roles of all participants in a kind of collective trip are outlined.
From the tales of the shamans, it is obvious that the collective trip is much more interesting than the individual one - it is longer and deeper, you can remember more and even get into a completely different world...
How do you think, hypothetically, a trip might differ if, for example, an experienced psychonaut artist with extensive DMT experience and just a very strong person - a guide, an avatar for some entities - is involved?

What do you think about collective trips?

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Trip goals:
1) see really other worlds
2) get more strength in the trip and make the trip deeper and longer
3) look at the possibilities of collaboration in a trip

I find that tripping alone tends to be a much deeper, more immersive experience. However, tripping with other people can be very valuable as well in many different ways.

Having a conversation can distract you from the inner journey you where being sent on by the psychedelic, and take you out of it a little. At the same time, a conversation can be a very rewarding experience in itself as well.

Mutual feelings here. My most valuable experiences are typically solo. Not discounting the valuable times with others. Wonder how much of this may be predicated on personality "type." I can be social, but am generally, and preferably, pretty introverted.

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For high dose trips, I trip alone (with a trip sitter). I'm not fond of other people's erratic tripping energy being around me when I'm in such an open state.

For something less intense like 2 grams of shrooms, I'm okay being with a close friend who is also tripping.

Let's eat a quarter together and ignore each other jk

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Nice.

A collective trip? I'm not sure I understand. One person is the "hero", and everyone else role plays as the archetypes? While tripping? Or sober? Or just as a guide like a traditional shaman?
This has the makings of a very strange stage play (Shakespeare on shrooms??!)

I also tend to think tripping is an individual journey... even if there's someone sitting or tripping with you, it's you doing the travelling. I haven't tripped with other people yet but I intend to try this week. Maybe I'll follow up with more feelings after.

Hey shroombee, I think we have a third for out "trip and ignore" gathering

Okay I'm done



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I am very glad that you did not understood me what I wrote, and so I, apparently, am discovering something new for you? )))

Every time when I smoked DMT with a partner, our energy no longer exist seporetely - we are one! We combine energy and travel together! This is the point.

For example, once, a guy and a girl came to visit me on the trip. We smoked "water bulb*" for three, but the trip turned out to be one of the deepest and most incredible. Some specific "Nagual" (Spirit, some green energy) spoke through the girl and from the "Waiting room" we saw "the green vagina" or "slit" - it's opened and we got into a realy separate reality (!). This was the most incredible trip of our life.

My psychedelic experience since 2005 - I spent many years in ceremonies with cactus, ayahuasca, mushrooms, etc. The collective trip is always deeper, because everyone uses and the energies of all people are combined into a common egregor, which has greater potential.
So.
I, my friend and his girlfriend are a good friend of mine. We know each other well and got an incredibly deep trip, indescribable trip, thanks to which I began to experiment with the selection of characters for the trip. It turned out their experience, age and physical condition are of great importance. The entities (spirits) with which they are in union are also important. And we shuold have a deep friendly feeligs.

Some times I have a bad trips with negotive people who don't like some one or something...

Good luck.

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water bulb"

Do you think there is a risk with these kind of experiences that you bring forth entities whose intentions might not be beneficial and these might stick?

I was took a vape hit when I was feeling very frustrated and had smoked weed and I felt like some entity was trying to come through me. At that time I was feeling very empty and thought that anything exciting would do. Afterwards I was very happy that the trip ended in a few seconds and whatever was going on was interrupted. I believe whatever the energy was it was feeding on my curiosity and craving to experience "just something" and it could have ended badly.

I am down for the trip and ignore lol. I find myself, when tripping in groups, at a loss for words. The lack of an ability to contribute to the conversation tends to make me really uncomfortable; as if I am just sitting there and taking, but not pulling my weight. I think if the point were to not speak, this would alleviate said discomfort and allow myself to be there while not being there. To work from the inside while being accompanied outside.


That being said, some of my most wonderful LSD experiences have been in large groups; shared hallucinations and telepathic communications. I feel that casual conversation gets in the way of these experiences, sometimes.

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Once, in the mountains, in a one family, I, my guest and a friend ate a cactus. The friend's wife did not eat it. The wife was shocked that for about an hour we spoke at the same time, asking and answering questions.

It's funny. But with closing our eyes in the trip, we got a common experience, more stable and productive, in a rituals goals.

So me interesting is there a difference in the depth of the dive, if smoke with well-known and experienced shaman or visionary artist.

I've had some similar experiences with others using mushrooms and DMT. They are definitely interesting experiences.

I think the difference would lie not only in what someone does, but in their demeanor, energy, your relationship with them, etc.

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Ps, you're welcome to join us in this hypothetical trip and ignore shindig

Yes, true. Telepathy is not uncommon when tripping together.

Is it telepathy (point to point communication between individuals), or does the plant medicine facilitate a connection with the universal hive mind?

Or are the mushrooms communicating the same message to both persons?

Perhaps our separateness really is an illusion. So each "individual" is speaking from the same oneness.

I felt more like a hive mind in the few occasions it has blessed me, but there was one time where I felt like I had a direct connection to my friend. He jumped up and grabbed ahold of this flowing stream above use that I believed at the time was the hive mind incarnate. And at that point, there was a direct connection as well. So, to answer, I think it is both.

So, I tripped with a friend like I promised. 3.5 grams rue, 7.5 grams mimosa tea. My trip was very mild but my friend had the most intense breakthrough he will ever have.

The night was long, gruelling, and frightening. I am a very hardy young man, and yet at several points I felt genuine concern for his and my safety... it was a whole fiasco which I'll detail in another post.

One thing for sure: I will never do that again, for / with *anyone* who isn't my close, close friend. You never know what demons people are hiding.

That said, I did discover a lot of things that only could have come from this experience. My conclusion is: I'm ambivalent about collective trips, and I would be scared to be a shaman.