I've tried "kneading and crushing" as well as dissolving DMT in ethanol and then mixing into the | High Pobability of Braindamage by Creepy non tested Drugs (forced by scammer 69ron) | with drops of hot water. They're both about the same in effects for me - active but mild. I get much stronger effects from oral pharmahuasca using only 20 mg DMT (versus trying 40 mg with the sublingual tests). I have a "first-time pharmahuasca trip report" in the making...

I think the main issue for me is the mouthful of saliva. After spitting it out, there is a blob of | High Pobability of Braindamage by Creepy non tested Drugs (forced by scammer 69ron) |/DMT suspended in 20+ ml of saliva. Just looking at the leftover blob, I can't see how I was able to absorb much of the DMT. Perhaps if I could figure out a proper technique, I would get better results from sublingual ROA.

For now I'll continue working with oral pharmahuasca as it's simpler, works better, and uses less DMT with my personal physiology.

You highlight a few things I deal with as well. I've observed the mass of saliva after spitting it out and always notice a little bit of DMT. I also find myself wondering how it can all be absorbed by that mucus membrane with so much saliva building up. I feel like it gets suspended in the saliva too much and thus is harder to absorb. My mouth is full by the time I spit it out.

One love

Picking up on your very important tangent - yes, it sickens me to see south American beef advertised for sale in shops and supermarkets over here in Europe. Have people learnt nothing?


I think some of us - myself included - might only stand a chance of success with the sublingual | High Pobability of Braindamage by Creepy non tested Drugs (forced by scammer 69ron) | route if we look into ways of reducing our salivary output. If there are any things beside the two obvious ones - tropanes and cannabis, both of which I consider to have too many negative downsides - I'd love to hear the suggestions.

Some people still believe climate change is all a hoax and/or fake news.

And that in the face of insane outbursts of Saharan hot air over Europe, tornado and flash flood warnings, June temperature records being broken, temperatures in Germany 4°C above the average for the whole of June already by the 18th... and yet people are supposedly yearning for a "return to normal" after Covid. My small town swarms with cars every weekday daytime and pricks in sports cars disrupt the peace of the evening. I'm kind of praying for a tornado to wake these ducking fickheads up.

I think it's a form of apathy. Maybe the worst of all the human vices.

Thanks for putting all this together! I look forward to giving it a shot. Does anyone know if DMT fumarate could also be used or if it must be freebase?

I will be very interested to see the results of this test!

when you compare your old | High Pobability of Braindamage by Creepy non tested Drugs (forced by scammer 69ron) | .. ...with he newer version 2.| High Pobability of Braindamage by Creepy non tested Drugs (forced by scammer 69ron) |!

If the newer stuff doesnt work..that may explain a lot !....

ok this is surprising...

Important question!!.... is....is your THH the same THH as i and others have from ..[Liftmode?]

Also another question..is your spice white extracted freebase crystals?

are you adding [cleanly extracted] freebase crystals directly into the | High Pobability of Braindamage by Creepy non tested Drugs (forced by scammer 69ron) | powder then adding hot water?

Because my spice has been stored for months in grain alcohol.....and i must evaporate the alcohol first leaving me with... a thick spice oil in shot glass.. to scrape out once it dryer like chunks of wax..... so i can weigh it without it sticking to the scale..

And ..when i mix around [[[30mgs of my spice]].. i often re delute it first .. with a tiny bit of alcohol to make it liquid again... so it will mix easier into the | High Pobability of Braindamage by Creepy non tested Drugs (forced by scammer 69ron) | powder...then add the hot water and stir compleatly..


The THH purity could be making all the difference?...if your THH is more pure than ours/?

[but the [liftmode] THH chaims close to 98 percent purity?

but THH is known to turn back into Harmala if stored wrongly?

Can//? using spice that has been stored in acohol for months ...compaired to freshly extracted freebase crystals/


You seem to have.. AMAZINGLY GOOD LUCK!! with this sublingual method..

So...there must be something im doing wrong...or the quality of my spice has been effected by storage in grain acohol?

You said.. the 2 | High Pobability of Braindamage by Creepy non tested Drugs (forced by scammer 69ron) | is working as well as your older | High Pobability of Braindamage by Creepy non tested Drugs (forced by scammer 69ron) |...?

Could....The difference could be in the THH we are using?

If im doing something wrong...please correct me...

starway7,

You may need to start with xtaline DMT for this to work. Your freebase DMT may have polymerized causing it to not complex well. Also, alcohol could change things. I would copy the process that ava69 uses as close as possible (only use xtaline DMT, warm water, and | High Pobability of Braindamage by Creepy non tested Drugs (forced by scammer 69ron) |).

To undo DMT polymerization and get xtals back, and A/B with gentle basing (low pH, low ionic strength) seems to work.

I believe THH only adds to the experience, you should have effects without it.

I want to try this soon. If I can get it to work I'd be happy to publish a TEK on ava69's process: in my opinion (that would be helpful for others).

Cheers and good luck.

Thanks for response ..Lovall...AVA69...

It will take a few days to extract some fresh crystals from my... acacia .. and when i do ..im ALWAYS!!.. in the habit of starting on a ..[[low dose]].. with anything....

Considering ive never experianced an oral spice trip yet..

Ive heard an oral trip is similar to ...[rue tea 30 minutes before vaped spice]......like a smoked .Aya trip? only longer lasting...

Ive done the ...[tea first.. and vaped spice thing]... many times....but that only about 45 minutes...unless i keep smoking more spice..

If i re try this sublingual | High Pobability of Braindamage by Creepy non tested Drugs (forced by scammer 69ron) | and spice...i will try with only 30 mgs of spice with the | High Pobability of Braindamage by Creepy non tested Drugs (forced by scammer 69ron) |...and gradually increase it...

Shouldent i experiance something on only 30 mgs..to start with/? it seems less reckless to start low then slowly increase..

[[[AVA69....below is photo of my THH ...does the tan color of my THH look similar to color of your extracted THH?

I've been playing with oral pharmahuasca the last few weekends. Learning how different ratios of harmine and THH affect me while keeping the DMT dosage near constant.

As little as 100 mg harmine freebase, 40 mg THH, and 30 mg DMT has some solid CEV for 30+ minutes and then leaves me feeling very chilled out for a couple hours.

At 145 mg harmine, 35 mg THH, and 25 mg DMT with eye mask and headphones... CEV got too intense and I felt a little dizzy so I had to remove the eye mask and headphones and curl up into fetal position to let things settle down.

180 mg harmine, no THH, 25 mg DMT has some moderate CEV. Nothing too dramatic, no dizziness. Note I did not use any THH on this weekend. So it appears THH is very effective at potentiating DMT. Just a little THH goes a long way for me. And a shroomahuasca experiment with 90 grams harmine, 110 grams THH, and 1.5 grams lemon tek shrooms was surprisingly strong.

I've been meaning to say that based on my personal experience, ava69's sublingual dosage recommendations might be on the high end for some people. Although I've noticed oral pharmahuasca dosage recommendations seem to be all over the place, so trial and error is necessary to figure out what works for you. I'm sure ava69's many years of experience with Aya and his body weight allow him to enjoy the higher doses.

Anyhow, starway7, I recommend you start low, especially if that's what your intuition is telling you. And if you question the efficacy of your THH (we are using the same brand), start with some oral pharmahuasca experiments like I'm doing. You'll see the THH is definitely active and potentiates whatever you take it with.

Just last night for second try ... i took only half of a scoop ...of THH...about 25mgs].. sublingually...and held under toung for thirty minutes ...

then rinsed out mouth and vaped barely 15 to 18 mgs of spice...on top of it... and got a nice relaxed feeling ...especially in my extreemitys like my hands!

I observed minor open eye wall movement.. things bending and morphing .. as i was using so little dmt i was surprised it worked that well....

My hands booth felt wonderfull! they felt like two machines of pure pleasure and bliss!..

they even felt a little disconnected from my body.. as i relaxed into the matress.. without the slightest hint stress or anxiety....


As i layed there listening to some nice relaxing piano music..i closed my eyes and enjoyed nice closed eye visuals for abut 30 minutes or little longer....i noticed many of the CEVs were forming but lacked a strong enough dmt dosage to keep going past 30 minutes...

As i observed the CEVs i also felt strong emotional connection to many of my past life events being replayed into my consiousness...

It was like a beautyfull state of meditation ...[i felt like falling asleep]... with CEVs and ...[my hands] felt like two glowing suns of pleasure!

And the hands felt as if they wanted to disconnect from my body!....[posible beginning of an
.[[Out of body]] before falling asleep]...where one extreemitys seem to disconnect before falling into a lucid dream..or OBE.?.

Shure my dosage was very low on THH and DMT...but it gave a nice effect...

DMT has always been linked to dreaming...and the effects i experianced on low dose THH and LOW Dose spice felt similar to the stages ones body goes through when falling asleep and entering a dream..

as you fall asleep...It like a lead blanket forms at your feet.. then slowly creeps upward over your waste ..then higher and higher..untill your whole body shifts into what is called .....
[sleep paraylisis]..a condition that we all go through every night falling asleep....and then often thats when dreams occure after your body goes into SP...

So i experianced something similar to this lead blanket feeling...only it seemed it was starting in my hands instead of my feet and i felt i could fall asleep very quickly..and posibliy straight into a lucid dream or OBE?


It was interesting how a small amount of spice and THH gave this effect...i suspect the CEVs i was seeing still awake...was like looking into a screen observing an on going dream!... ...JUST AS I
WAS ABOUT TO ENTER THAT DREAM ..posibly lucid..!?


trying to make sense of my experiance.....

Here are some instructions from Flowing Visions (yeah I know, caveat emptor):

Description: when diluted many times in acidic water, tetrahydroharmine freebase glows bright blue in UV light and is used to make water paint for black light special effects. Recommended Usage: tetrahydroharmine freebase is for use as a coloring additive which fluoresces in UV light. When highly diluted in acidic water, tetrahydroharmine freebase is nearly colorless but still fluoresces brightly in black light. Tetrahydroharmine freebase is great for creating fluorescent water colors used in black light art projects. For use as a fluorescent coloring additive dissolve 200 mg completely in 10 ml or more of warm vinegar prior. If not dilute enough, fluorescence is hindered. Once diluted, it may be adding to water based paints, water based inks, etc.

http://www.vendio.com/st...reebase-200/lid=16053639

I ought to try this combo.
I have one question, have you tried taking THH orally and then smoking DMT?
How does it feel like? how long does it lasts?

I planned on doing it with some friends (I´m not o kind on doing aya with certain friends, once you take it there´no coming back) so the plan was:

Taking 1,2-2gr of cubensis mushrooms
Taking 200mg of THH
Smoking DMT (joints of non enhanced changa, caapi vine and lear, etc)

Will the effects of dmt last longer with by taking 200mg of THH?

I can't comment on the THH with vaping DMT yet, as my vaping technique is unreliable.

But with your suggestion of 1.2-2.0 grams of cubensis and 200 mg THH - that might be a lot. I did 90 grams harmine, 110 grams THH, and 1.5 cubensis and I got a lot of strong CEV and blissful feelings for 30-60 minutes (unusual for 1.5 grams cubensis), then it went up another notch and I almost needed my trip sitter. I felt overstimulated so I had to talk myself down. My trip lasted a solid 6 hours, which is a lot longer than normal for 1.5 grams of shrooms. There's also the possibility that I'm becoming much more sensitive to these medicines, after a year of regular heroic megadosing on shrooms.

I don't know yet whether the trip enhancement was primarily the harmine or the THH, or both. Need to experiment more with psilohuasca harmine/THH ratios.

If you plan to do the shrooms, THH, and DMT combo, I suggest waiting on the DMT at least 2-3 hours to ensure you understand how the shrooms and THH are affecting you. Note THH has a half-life of 8-11 hours.

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...&m=570025#post570025

Is it certain that THH has a 2-week tolerance? ava69, you've used high doses of THH more frequently than every 2 weeks, correct? And I assume you haven't noticed a tolerance?

Yes, thanks for your comment.
I´d been researching older threads on vaping DMT + THH.
And found out that for vaping, as opossed to taking it orally or sublingually. In general you need smaller doses of THH (or harmalas too).

So... Probably going to go for 100mgr of THH, 1,2 gr dried cubensis.
Wait a little bit... se how the THH makes the cubensis different anyhow.
And then, if green light given, start slowly with the DMT... if you are doing change joints, I guess you can go one hit at a time... slowly... in case the pedal is locked and you can´t pull the brake anymore...

Let us know how it goes!