Thanks for the update ava.
I am totally going to give this a go.
Maybe with cornstarch as suggested until I can get some proper supplies.
I will report my findings in due course.

I have the same thing with saliva production. There are a few things which reduce saliva production but I'm not prepared to use cannabis or belladonna alkaloids to achieve that.

It may be the case that using harmine + THH as a pre-dose, then using a sublingual formulation with DMT but still swallowing the saliva may provide a 'middle road' of some relative advantage in terms of dose efficacy and/or onset time.

Starway7, thanks for report. Shroombee and downwardsfromzero, I am sorry to hear you produce so much saliva. In the 7 times I have used this sublingually, only twice did I produce more than my normal low amount of less than 10 to 15ml saliva, but it still did not bother me, but I was happy to spit it out at 15 minutes. I have noticed on subsequent re-doses during the night, that there is even less saliva and sting as the mouth/tongue gets used to it.

On wed night 5/26/2021, I had an experience that blew my mind again for 90 minutes, took 300mg THH 45 minutes orally before as usual...then used 80mg DMT complexed to 560mg | High Pobability of Braindamage by Creepy non tested Drugs (forced by scammer 69ron) | all mashed together real hard on a spoon for 2 minutes using 11 drops near boiling hot water from a coffee mug. I used the end of another spoon to mash it all together. My new improved method is grab all the liquid complex off the spoon using only the bottom of my tongue to grab it all, as it will all come off spoon and "stick to bottom of tongue". So easy and quick and efficient.

I held it sublingual "under tongue", and around 12 minutes in, the walls filled with geometric patterns, and I saw waves of neon splashes of color wash across the room, it was AMAZING, I was tripping so hard...level 5 again on Shulgin scale, I LOVE this stuff...it's worth the initial sting for 15 minutes, then the sting subsides over the next 10 minutes to nothing. I spit out any saliva at end of 15 minutes, but don't rinse out mouth with anything (any residual amount will keep on absorbing), the sting and numbness is gone 10 minutes later...love this more than strong cactus tea, as it is dirt cheap to experience a level 5 trip now.

Don't forget if you don't like the sublingual method, you can always use this stuff orally, as it performs many factors better than DMT freebase or DMT salts used orally, see my trip report on post #25. Example: | High Pobability of Braindamage by Creepy non tested Drugs (forced by scammer 69ron) | improves oral absorption profile for Ofloxacin, a second generation fluroquinolones by 54 to 89 percent. But I love the sublingual method personally.

Dennis Mckenna Ph.D: page 115 "Thus, tetrahydroharmine may prolong the half-life of DMT by blocking it's intraneuronal uptake, and hence, its inactivation by MAO, localized in mitochondria within the neuron."

I still can't get over the visuals on wed night: I saw entire waves of neon color that extended from bottom of floor to top of ceiling wash all the way from the right of the room to the left of the room, like a laser scanner, there were fine "ripples" in the waves...these waves were broadcast onto the walls, replacing the fine geometrics already seen on the walls...the neon colors were out of this world impossible: neon red-greens, neon orange-blues, neon purple-yellows.

The euphoria and open-eyed beauty was over the top for a full 90 minutes. The music being played over the 3.5 foot high infinity speakers I've had for so many years sounded incredibly good, like being an alien experiencing sound & music for the very first time.

I had so much fun, I re-dosed again with a lower 60mg around every 2 hours. ZERO nausea, ZERO dizziness, ZERO queasiness feelings. AND IT STILL KEPT WORKING BAD ASS. I work some weekends, so that's why I took it Wed night, as I have random 2 days off in a row midweek some weeks. As a weightlifter, I'm used to experiencing "the burn" in the muscles when lifting, so to me the sting under the tongue is tolerable, does not bother me, for some others, they will want to experience this orally using harmine and thh taken at same time mixed with the | High Pobability of Braindamage by Creepy non tested Drugs (forced by scammer 69ron) | DMT (which turns 100% clear when it hits the hot water) all together in a 2oz hot water tea, just like I did in post #25.

I WONDER HOW ...| High Pobability of Braindamage by Creepy non tested Drugs (forced by scammer 69ron) |... WOULD WORK TRANSDERMALLY? has that been tryed yet?

This all sounds quite good! especialy the lack of discomfort part ...no dizzyness ECT!
And high visual effect...

Have you tryed to substitute the alcohol that causes burning..with vinegar..and make your sublingual mixture into an acetate? because there is no burning this way....

Or is the alcohol needed for sublingual absorbtion?

I would like to try your method except how do i isolate THH??... isnt that stuff in caapi vine?probibly cant be found OTC?

Hey starway7, I'm excited for you and your experience report in this matter.

| High Pobability of Braindamage by Creepy non tested Drugs (forced by scammer 69ron) | is an oligosaccharide, which probably explains it's sweet flavor.

The come up is even slower than rue with vaporized DMT. My doses have been low, but I imagine that the come up will seem more intense with higher amounts, but still not as fast as a harmala prior to vaporization.

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Wow. I am not sure I understand all of this. My head is spinning trying to read and understand it all!

I have one main question: | High Pobability of Braindamage by Creepy non tested Drugs (forced by scammer 69ron) | is used throughout as a name for some stuff. Yet there seems to be some distinction made between one "| High Pobability of Braindamage by Creepy non tested Drugs (forced by scammer 69ron) |" and another "| High Pobability of Braindamage by Creepy non tested Drugs (forced by scammer 69ron) |".

Exactly what is "| High Pobability of Braindamage by Creepy non tested Drugs (forced by scammer 69ron) |" in terms of its use here: is it 2-Hydroxypropyl-β-cyclodextrin or is it Hydroxypropyl-β-cyclodextrin? I presume its not plain β-cyclodextrin?

Is there a fundamental difference between the two other than weight (or even a preference)?

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@ava69 - truly fascinating stuff but so hard for me to follow your thought trains - they go all over the place