I mean for all the vaporizer devices or methods that are used for dmt, so that I can better made my mind which one is the best and waste the least or less of your spice!

I also want to know whether the machine or dabbing regarding which one is better or more efficient all comes to our personal preference since my research shows that some people argue about this and have different opinion some say is the machine while others say is dabbing.

Is it also still worth buying one of those Geekvape Aegis vaporizers that are not very cheap either if you can use any other cheap alternative methods?

Conduction (directly heating the material) will always pyrolize it to some extent. For best results I highly recommend looking into a convection style vaporizer (gvg, volcano, etc).

btw, I removed your duplicate of this post.

In my experience (which is limited), the most efficient effects vs. dose is the e-mesh method. It was hard to load for me, with spilled spice a source of frustration, but it seems folks have figured out 190 everclear works as a carrier solution which takes care of that issue.

The gvg can deliver 30mg of changa in 3 hits for me to breakthrough consistently or subbreakthroughs indefinitely. I never combust anything since learning after I fill the pipe with vapor to hold the 1/10th of the total volume I already have in my lungs for 10sec so the stone/main vapor load can cool before I clear it. This way when I clear the bowl the heat has dissipated in the past I would clear the cloud immediately pulling all the heat from the stone into the bowl combusting it leading to weak experiences and puking. Its hard to get past 2 hits before I am losing control and I feel absolutely none of the vapor in my body aside from amazing euphoria in the lungs. When I was combusting the material it was harsh, sickening, and destroyed everything packed due to these steep anecdotal differences I believe little if any pyrloysis is happening with proper technique but its hardly a scientific conclusion. I have read very good things about the E-mesh it seems most precise the ease of pressing a button to create ideal conditions for vaporization could have saved me a year of trial and error wasting spice and making myself sick with the gvg.

Sorry but can you also guys tell me, whether using the machine or dabbing all come to personal preference or one of them is better than the other? Cos I heard some people say the most efficient one is the machine while others say its dabbing!

So which one really is?

Also with which one can you get BT only with 1 hit most of them times?

Finally I also want to know is it still worth buying one of those ageis solo e-vaporizers if you can do it with any of them? I know I have already asked this question in separate thread but still no responses so how much of your spice will burn using either both the machine vs dabbing too?

I've used various methods including the vapor genie and such in the past but always go back to a plain old tinnie.

I wrap some tin foil around a pen and bend it like a tiny pot pipe. To stop the spice from condensing on the inside it needs to be short, maybe 4-5 inches max. For this I simply wrap some paper towel around the end so my lips/fingers don't burn.

I heat it up underneath at the elbow after dumping in or scooping up the session's dose. With this simple contraption it's pretty easy to get it all down in 1-2 hits and boy does it hit fast and hard.

I know throughout the years there's been many fancy things designed on here and like stated I've dumped the money into the VG and some others but I've always found this the most efficient. So long as the end is wrapped properly so you don't burn your lips it's great. Again, heat underneath, not directly to the spice!

You have to heat it up partially so the spice melts before inhaling and inhale slow and long so you don't suck it through. After the pipe is made, I take the inner portion of the pen out containing ink and stick it in the pipe then crimp the whole stem around it, only leaving the bowl portion as big as the actual pen. that helps prevent accidentally sucking anything through and leaves less surface area for the spice to condense on.

Normally 20-30mg is done in one hit. 50mg or so 1-2. I've never got a second hit from ~30mg (when using a precision scale, not eyeballing). It takes a little practice and isn't pretty but it sure is effective and easily disposable if needed. Due to the black charring on the underside of the utensil I tend to remake them each session since they're rather spread apart.

What's better isn't about what you use always. Light bulbs used to be popular and was one of my first contraptions, similar to a meth pipe. I'd venture to guess foil is likely one of the least popular on here but it works perfect for me.

Go with what works for you. Try the cheaper routes first. Check them after your session for remaining DMT. If it wasn't efficient enough, alter your method and/or move on to another vaping utensil.

Dude, I'll be straight with you. Your concerns about "how much will be burnt" are of course valid, but you are paying too much attention to that subject.

I undertand that one might have just 0.1g gifted they would want to use in a most effective way, but realistically... Unless you are living in North Korea or similar country, which I doubt, because you probably would be in trouble for posting here. So I doubt it is a problem to order 100g of bark an extract yourself. Even with shitty 0.5% yield, it is 0.5g or freebase dmt. For me that's 20 of good launches or 10 "what the fuck where have I been" launches.
In this case, either machine or emesh or boofing - all are valid methods. All can support minimum waste with excellent results, all just depends on your preferences.

There are adepts of the machine, like me, who consistently can get good results with handmade device. There are followers or emesh who swear it is the bestest method ever. Tjere are posh gvg smokers who swear that anybody who gets into hyperspace with pipe worth less than 100$ are scrubs.
It doesn't matter.
It is a matter of preference/finances/whatever is available to you.

Is it worth it - is a personal question. There a are tons of valid methods to get there, all work.
Dont seek shortcuts, if you are on the path, there is no shortcuts.

Sorry but my original question was how much of your spice by using those two devices will burn, if anybody knows compared to using a glass pipe (that are considered as the most cheap efficient devices) so that I can know with which one I'm going to lose the least of my dmt, and also easier to use as well, Because I'm also considering maybe to invest on something that is more expensive if absolutely needed, if those two methods are also not very different from using normal pipe or as efficient as they should be?

But how much more efficient are The machine and dabbing compared to just using a glass pipe? are they a huge game changer, in terms of how much easier it is to vape with them as well as the amount which will go to waste?

Also what are their pros and cons?

There comes a time when one has to start generating one's own data.

Best of luck.

Sorry but how much of it will burn "usually" with both the machine and dabbing?

Also which one is more efficient to vape your dmt with and why?

What are their pros and cons?

I have also heard some people say even by using glass pipe only about 5-10mg can be burned which is not that bad unless if its usually 15mg? but which of these numbers are more close to reality?

With all respect, I disagree with your statement Dreamer042.
I have used both the GVG (convection) and the e-mesh method (conduction), and they are equally effective in my opinion.
In theory the dmt shouldn't burn as long as the heating element don't get heated more than max dmt vaping temp.
Lately I have been using e-juice vaping method with success, where I can vape g 0,5g dmt in 1.5ml juice (2ml), before I switch the coil. With small ceramic coils there is very little gone. This method is also a conduction method, where the spice has direct contact with the heating element.

I think we should put this myth to an end. There are good and bad methods both convection and conduction. One is not necessary better than the other. There are good and effective methods, and there are bad ineffective methods.

Blessings

sorry but which of both The machine and dabbing method is better than the other and why?

Also which one uses less of your spice? e.g at what dose can you or do you "personally" get BT by using either of both compared to what you used to get with normal glass pipe?

Sorry but I don't understand in what ways is the machine or dabbing is better than a glass pipe?

But in this situation the DMT isn't in direct dry heat as it's buffered in a liquid medium, condution in something like a glass pipe with freebase crystals is certainly less effective/efficient then convection in a glass pipe

If you mean a glass pipe as in an oil burner for example, then a machine is much more effective because you are not directly heating the DMT via conduction/heating the glass which the DMT is touching but you are vaporizing the DMT by drawing hot air into the ceramic coil.

I use a GVG but I have built and used a machine before I got my GVG, it was efficient, not as great as a GVG but I'm sure you would be fine with it. Strong effects with 20mg and certainly a breakthrough with 40mg, although with a GVG I would never dream of vaping 40mg in one go..

I haven't had a chance to try GvG, but machine fulfilled all my needs for hyperstellar travels
Agree with specific dosage, 20mg is strong. 25mg - 50% chance to end up either flown around mystical everchanging grounds, tunnels or structures or meet seemingly sentient entities. Though sentient in a weird and often mischievous ways. When you are this deep first times you think that there is no going deeper, but then you try 35-40mg range, with the same machine and discover that rabbit hole has no depths.

So sorry for a long writeup, but I think that our friend OP is either trolling, or needs other kinds of help.
Every smoking method and extraction method works, typical 50g mhrb extraction yields at it's very worst 500mg freebase which is enough to become seasoned hyperspace visitor. Why would one so insistently inquiry about one method or another?

And never revisited this concept 20 years later, despite the simple fact that i told you of a radical update with equally radical implications in terms of applications range vs learning cureve. This is no longer the Y2K era, mind you. No need to flood the board with multiple parallel e-Mesh discussions anyway, it went noticed all right...

Good day, have fun!!

Sorry but I'm trying to figure out in here that between using the machine or dabbing which one is better and why?

Then something that I was also really after for was to find out which one would burn less of your dmt too? Which I have guessed that even by myself by now which probably would be the dabbing technique! But I might be wrong

However I also want to know this approximately if you can tell, so that I can at least know how much of my spice will usually go to waste!

So please, can you just guys help me to find my ideal method or device for vaping dmt? If you have used two of them?

it's not really subjective, it's physics. One can say, I prefer such and such method or I've tried this and that method and I couldn't tell the difference, but it doesn't change the fact that direct contact with a heating method will pyrolize the material, it's thermodynamics.

For what it's worth, I've used e-mesh and dab rigs and plenty of conduction methods and they all work great! I can easily recommend an electric vape with emesh for ease of use over a volcano or gvg. I've personally never had a hit of any juice based vape that wowed me the way emesh or other direct crystal smoking methods did.


To address the actual question. I'd recommend the machine over a traditional heat it with a torch banger strictly for safety purposes, but I'd recommend a nice temp controlled enail over the machine for ease of use and quality of vapor. I'd recommend emesh over both, and I'd recommend a nice changa over any form of crystal DMT administration.

sorry I know dabbing probably burn less of your dmt but does the same thing also apply to the "machine"? how much less or how much of your spice usually burn by using that device?

Also which one is better or considered as the most efficient one?

There are a lot of variables regarding temperature and technique and the like, but in general dabbing will cause more of the material to be burned but give more consistent/efficient hits and the machine will burn the material less but provide less efficient hits.

This is a huge generalization though, dabbing done right can vaporize the material before it contacts the heat source resulting in minimal burning and the machine done wrong by heating the chore boy too hot can result in excessive burning of the material.

Neither is really a great method and you'd be far better off investing in decent vape mod and some Emesh.