Just crossed my mind the other day and wondering if this has been discussed before.

Has anyone ever hot boxed DMT? Could it be done? More to the point, should it be?

Curious what your thoughts are.

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bfp

My thought is - why? (or what for?)

Mostly just a shower thought, and I'm just wondering if there are any reports of it. Not really a serious suggestion, and not something I would ever try. However, consider this.

Experiments with intravenously injected DMT have been proposed by Gallimore and Strassman (You can read their work on it, or find the podcast episode on the DMT experience where he is a guest, but I'll summarize it here.)

There are some people who believe that the entities encountered during a DMT-trip are real and that they exist not just as a hallucination, but are actual beings which live in hyperspace whether we trip or not. The objective of Gallimore's proposed intravenous injection method is to lengthen the duration of a DMT-trip in a very controlled way, so that it can be turned on and shut off after potentially hour long trips. If this is achieved, it is thought that meaningful ambassadorial meetings can take place as a kind of first contact with an alien intelligence.

Hot boxing obviously isn't a controlled way to do this, but I wonder if any of the more experienced members have heard of anyone attempting it and what the experience was like.

Have you smoked DMT yourself? I think your question answers itself to anybody who had some quantifiable experience with the molecule

To answer the question direcly, speaking from myexperience: no I don't think hoboxing is a viable way for a prolonged experiences.
It would be probably hard or impossible to achieve desired concentration of vaped freebase DMT in the air, so that you are having psychoactive effect from it and still able to breathe air and your body to function normally in such atmosphere. It's hard to breathe in weed hotbox already, last thing I'd want is for air to be DMT

Also doesn't hotboxing typically involves more than 1 person, to achieve desired effects? So you have several people in a small confined space, tripping balls, some of them inevitably freaking out, some have trouble breathing and wandering outside, some freaking that somebody went outside, etc etc. If there is some courageous group who tried this, I want to read the trip report

There are plenty of existing and better ways to have a prolonged experience (changa, aya).

I'm familiar with Dr. Strassman's work and there is probably a reason why some clever guys sat down, thought about it and went with IV setup for their experiments, instead of a gas mask with DMT vapour (which your hotbox basically tries to be).

Even ignoring the physics of it, A DMT sauna would be like steaming yourself with pepper spray.

The smell would be otherworldly...

It would be entirely inefficient and a waste of material. Lack of oxygen is no joke, either.

I could not stop laughing at the thought of being one of the unlucky ones that had the job of doing the smoking.

I haven't even done freebase, but that just sounds like a consignment straight to the loony bin.

Sign me up for Andrew Gallimore's proposed experiment! I wouldn't mind spending a day or two exploring the DMT space. I have sat in a circle with a few close friends and puffed on a bowl of cannabis and DMT. I remember watching my friend's face going through a hyper change until he turned into Alex Grey's god head. I've always wanted to try and replicate the experience but my one close friend isn't willing.

I have tried this, and made a post about it several months ago. Though I referenced it as clam baking. The idea came to me to try it from watching this interview between a young rabi in training and an old rabi. The young one brought up acacia and dmt, and the old one found this interesting, citing old biblical scripture of old priests burning acacia resin in a chamber, until it fully filled with smoke, and entered the chamber. I just brought my changa bong under a blanket and hot boxed that way.

I feel that regarding cannabis, this is a juvenile party trick and a waste of medicine. I saw a youtube video where dozens of grams butane hash oil were dumped onto a red hot plate of metal in a small room full of people (millennials). Stupid and wasteful.

I'm sure you can guess what I think of the idea of doing this with dmt.

I have smoked DMT myself, but not been able to break through. I think the stuff I have is not that pure .

I understand that it is probably not feasible, but I think mostly because of the discomfort, smell, taste, etc .

Ideally, you'd vape the DMT cleanly. If no combustion takes place there should be no risk of CO2 poisoning. While the concentration of DMT in the air may have to be high, I think it's safe to say that it shouldn't be high enough to significantly alter the partial pressure of O2. So in terms of bodily functioning I actually think it's gentler in that respect than a weed hotbox. Unless freebase DMT is inherently bad for the respiratory system .

As for why the IV drip method is preferred to this. It's clearly better in every way, lol . But it requires sterile equipment, very high grade product and professional preparation of the IV fluid to reach the proper pH, salinity, etc. Not feasible for most people.

I'm not saying the DMT gas mask is a good idea, but it may be realistic by comparison. Also, please don't take this as a suggestion to try it. I really don't think it's a good idea.



Now this is interesting, I'll try to find your post about this. As an interesting side note, have you ever read revelations? I always thought it was kinda interesting that some of the beasts seen by John are covered in eyes. Pretty sick trip report all around (if that is indeed what it is).