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a recent thread about converting from DMT oxide had me thinking I should try to convert into DMT oxide to experiment with its psychoactive effects. I expect this would be a binary result experiment since the breakthrough experience is too wildly variant and subjective to make it more granular than that. My understanding from that thread and others is that I can achieve this with the addition of Hydrogen Peroxide. I admit I'm not a chemist, so how do I go about calculating the correct ratio to mix? Note that I found Mindlusion's answer on this in that thread: Quote:
about 10 years ago i tried this experiment, just adding some 30% H2O2 to freebase DMT dissolved in some ethanol. Preparation of amine oxides from tertiary amines this way from H2O2 is a well known reaction and free of any major side reactions, you should be able to find examples online of other tertiary amines.
If without ethanol IPA should work the same, I might have even used IPA I don't remember. I made a thread on the forum should be able to find it. Don't worry about decomposition of the peroxide, the workup is simple. It will stay in the water layer, just dilute it with at least 10x volume of water (so now its <3%) and then extract out the amine oxide with DCM or chloroform. Any traces of peroxide will have decomposed during evaporation, water and oxygen. Best to also dry the extracts with MgSO4 or NaSO4 and filter, but not entirely necessary, especially working at a small scale.
Amine oxides are very polar so you need a relatively polar extraction solvent. I ran it all in a narrow test tube so it was really easy to just suck up the organic layer with a pipette and then evaporate it. It's not soluble in naphtha or hexanes, which is also a helpful indicator that the reaction worked. It is also a useful way to remove any unreacted DMT, by washing the oil well with hot hexanes. I mixed it well with hexanes, heated it near boiling with lots of stirring, decanted off the hot hexanes and saved it for later to recover any unreacted DMT. Hardly anything was recovered, so seemed the reaction went to completion in high yield.
The product I recovered was a colourless to pale yellow oil, which did not crystallize. I didn't have any analytical equipment to test it at the time (was just out of highschool) Don't remember if I did TLC, would have been a good indicator.
I will assume the exact amount of h202 is not important insofar as I follow his guideline on its diluted concentration. Is that correct? Also, I read that pyrolysis might lead to DMT oxide. Does this imply that as we are often burning DMT in conduction methods of vaporization we are likely consuming some DMT oxide? If there were a substantive difference in the experience, we would think that the pattern would have emerged from so many people using techniques that would burn some of the DMT in comparison to say GVG convection techniques which are much less likely to do so, wouldn't we? Sorry for the ignorant questions here.
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Hey The ratio isn't too important, 0.1g of dmt in 1mL of ethanol, add a few drops of 35% peroxide. The experience I had with the stuff was a mild psychedelic stoning, like a very low dose of DMT. While the hexanes/naphtha clean up removes much of the unreacted dmt, That psychoactive effect could very well be just due to traces of DMT Expect nothing, Receive everything.
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Thanks for taking the time to respond! I'm going to follow your directions. It's one of the few experiments I'm capable of pulling off.
There seems to be a ton of speculation on here that there are different trip effects based on things like NMT, DMT oxide, etc. I'm curious in prodding those things in isolation and in combination (recombination) out of curiosity.
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Mindlusion wrote:Hey
The ratio isn't too important, 0.1g of dmt in 1mL of ethanol, add a few drops of 35% peroxide.
The experience I had with the stuff was a mild psychedelic stoning, like a very low dose of DMT. While the hexanes/naphtha clean up removes much of the unreacted dmt, That psychoactive effect could very well be just due to traces of DMT Hey Mind, have you analyzed the results of your experiments with this conversion, and if so, what were the results like? I seem to remember having tested this conversion with hydrogen peroxide but the results having other unidentified by-products apart from n-oxide, but I can't find my notes nor the mass spectra to remember for sure...
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Trout's "Some Simple Tryptamines" (as referenced here by endlessness) includes the procedure for producing DMT-N-oxide and recovering it in a crystalline form. [The crystallisation, however, includes the use of diethyl ether, which is not recommended for use by the home chemist] βThere is a way of manipulating matter and energy so as to produce what modern scientists call 'a field of force'. The field acts on the observer and puts him in a privileged position vis-à-vis the universe. From this position he has access to the realities which are ordinarily hidden from us by time and space, matter and energy. This is what we call the Great Work." β Jacques Bergier, quoting Fulcanelli
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downwardsfromzero wrote:Trout's "Some Simple Tryptamines" (as referenced here by endlessness) includes the procedure for producing DMT-N-oxide and recovering it in a crystalline form. [The crystallisation, however, includes the use of diethyl ether, which is not recommended for use by the home chemist] excellent, I will read it, thank you, though it sounds above my level of execution hopefully I will at least start to learn the language. perhaps the method of pyrolysis, while sloppy, is the easiest method of conversion. I certainly know how to burn things! Anecdotally I can confirm burning the stuff takes a ton of the DMT visuals out and replaces it with stoned body high. Might just be coincidence and not indication of conversion into oxide though.
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Pyrolysis will most likely break down the DMT molecule into different byproducts that are not just limited to DMT N-oxide, that seems like a very unreliable method.
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endlessness wrote:Pyrolysis will most likely break down the DMT molecule into different byproducts that are not just limited to DMT N-oxide, that seems like a very unreliable method. yeah, that makes sense. I don't suppose there's an easy way to test burnt vapor without some very expensive machinery either.
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