I'm wondering if anyone else on here can do this. It seems that i can talk my way through a total breakthrough journey and describe what i'm seeing while its happening. My voice remains calm and lucid. This last time was a full breakthrough journey that I described in real time to my friend. I've decided to try and document my experiences from now on . I'm very curious to see if this is a common ability. I noticed a signifigant thing . On the return from a deep breakthrough space there is a a limbo period where memory seems to be erased. There is a distinct separation between our reality and that of the other dimension.

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Nope not with a real breakthrough..

shamans sure seem to be able to do it in south america - and dance, and sing, but i doubt i could.

The term Breakthrough is modern pop. The indigenous users would ask you Breakthrough WTF. Just like Hyperspace its all pop made up stuff that really means nothing. Me I drink my brew definitional aspects are prejudiced. No one gives me descriptions or defines MY hallucinations.

I think is is very sad attempting to define the unknowable lets write up the new Bible or Koran. DMT users know nothing in terms of organized thought patterns except fantasy.

People need to use dmt to expand there mind not limit it to a new BS beleif system. It is about improvement of life's proublems not constructing a new fantasy world.

Forget about ancient customs next time your tripping what can you do to improve the life of yourself and others around you TODAY.

People are really missing the point. IT is a SHAME

The Heroin addicts at Blue Light have a better Philosophy Section than here. It has become a real Joke here.

I am torn between my love of psychedelic inspiration and my love of knowledge. This place is really becoming WACKED of course you can provide descriptions and show people how to TAKE psychedelics. And of course they will fall right into the mind warp. I almost feel like I am part of a brain washing campaign.

Maybe its time?

To go its no longer mind expansion but indoctrination and fantsy

No charity giving or world consicness just the latest extraction info and trips to LA LA land

I know people are disappointed by my words and all I can say is dito.


MV

Thank you.



The latest extraction info is perhaps one of these things that one can do to "improve the life of yourself and others around you TODAY." And isn't sharing knowledge the best form of charity?

magic venom

I understand your frustration and your right alot of thse terms create a pre-requisite to the experience which as you said is undefineable

however pounding the nexus and its community into the ground hardly makes your post anymore helpful than the ones you discourage.

why not start a few threads and discussions on what you think we should be discussing here, be positive.

if u still think this place is a joke and whacked (your own words) then you can always discuss philosphy with our opiate addicted friends at bluelight

my last comment was tongue and cheek friend, you have some valuable information and points it would be a shame if you became so disallusioned with here that we didnt have your input

Talking (or writting or drawing) are the only ways to SHARE an experience. I do not see it that wrong or negative to try to share our inner universe. It might be pointless or boring (like a dream story) but that's up to the reader to continue reading
To answer the first question, I guess I *could* talk and describe... but have no desire to. That ability could be interresting in a science laboratory with scanners and all that stuff to allow fitting external datas with and internal experience. But in "real" life I do not see the point.

MagikVenom,

Wow. Are you going the way of burnt? This place needs all voices and is weakened by the loss of even one.

I think people basically get certain areas of their brains heavily stimulated, i.e. completely lit up by serious doses of DMT. I know less and less each day, but I sincerely believe it is the same process that shamen go through (call it what you will) as well as people (regardless of their mental health status) who are the founders of religions. It's all fantasy, right? I believe it is phenomenology that takes it a step further and questions our perceptions of reality as even being consensual . . .

Enough of the pseudo-rant. If you choose to depart, even from limited areas, your voice will be sorely missed. I do hope you do continue to post in the technical sections and trip reports . . .Your posts have been personally helpful to me.

Health and happiness to you regardless of where your path leads . . .

Peace & Love,
Pandora

I always smoke alone.

Except for this one time I was letting some friends try some spice, but they insisted I went first. So I had a nice little breakthrough as my friends remained silent and half way I heard one of my friends giggling about something. This triggered a really goofy entity to appear and bounce across my field of vision.

Anyway I immediately started telling them about it. I just couldn't keep it to myself. Hardest sentence I ever had to fashion, but I think I got my point across.

We always order and re-order our reality according to our needs. You call it a fantasy, I call it culture. I think it's the speed of how we re-order what makes psychedelics interesting...I guess that's what you name "mind expansion"

Back to topic:

It depends. At a certain level, sound the human voice seems to get distorted to a level beyond recognition. During mild trips, the own voice can be heard ..it feels like talking in a big cathedral, Swim says. He also likes to sing.

MagikVenom, the term "breakthrough" is not pop lingo. It is a term that Dr. Rick Strassman used in his studies of DMT experiences. He discovered that there is a definite point in the experience that was considered a "breakthrough," after which the characteristics of the experience had measurable changes. I believe even burnt would agree with that, as he heralds the opinion of the scientific method.

As for the rest of your message, MagikVenom, I tend to agree.

Well, McKenna talked about "breaking through" ...the doors sung about it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dLAv0NklTg ...but it's more and more becoming a misused word or so it seems. People describing what some would call sub-breakthrough experiences as breakthroughs, because they're used to mild shroom trips.

I come to agree that this word is useless though...it'S what we make out of the experiences. My friend from peru talked to several beeings and that from behind the veil. It definatly changed his life.

i am capable of this and do it regularly. i am transcribing much of this into a book i am currently writing....i personally believe that if you have this ability, you are meant to use it to some capacity. remember- the goal is for a complete ascension to the next level. all beings must "wake up" and those who can help provide wisdom from experience have a spiritual obligation to do so. each person that wakes up tips the balance in favor of a greater conscious awakening. i have been "channeling" some profound wisdom lately....so much so i find myself a bit daunted to write reports, etc.... i'll be getting on that soon...

for now, i will just say that this ability is both a gift and a responsibility.

LOVE AND GRATITUDE!!

That's what fascinates me the most: To hear yourself speak those profound words. You know that they couldn't have come from your little self because you know they're true and you are not. Not yet, but still able to recieve such great wisdom, words of absolute clarity. And: They're making sense for other people too!!

After a while you start to notice, that the experience just opened a gate somehow, and that the wisdom keeps pouring in and you just have to find the inner patience to sit down and listen.

wholy antrolces I will buy that book!

I want to write a book but im too lazy and dont write enough.

dearst antrocles,

I dont beleive Ive told you this before,

but I LOVE YOU !!!!

your poetic and soul striking words of wisdom are just soooo inspirational on all levels.

it seems no matter what or how we perceive things, I feel you have an uncanny abillity to resonate inside us all.

sometimes I feel like I shouldnt have posted my reply to magicvenom as I find it uneasy sometimes to question such an incredible member of the community especialy when his influential advice has been incredible for maybe 2 years on this forum to some people.

but I also feel that we all, however our beleifs or scientific expertise or even spiritual capabilities have a right to feel the need to defend this forum and also the freedom of speech, dreams and fantasy it allows us to share and divulge with others.

I hate the feeling sometimes that this community is split in 2,

I wish we could accept our presumptions and immaginations ( many of us do)

I see that somtimes influential and valuable members of this community leave ( burnt) or get pissed off ( magicvenom) due to the diversity of interests in this forums members opinions that do not respect the laws of nature but.....

science is not the relgion of dmt nexus...

dmt nexus and its community are free from any imposing forces yet we are allowed and encouraged to participate such thoughts in an open and liberal manner

love you all!!!!

I'll be first in line for Ant's book as well!

As far as terms go, we need to have some words to use when we discuss our experiences. That is why we are nexus members, right?

Maybe we could come up with new ones when they start losing their meaning....

Dunno, but if we are going to share our journeys with others, it helps to have some common terminology.

Pokey

yes indeed pokey! well said.
what are we to do? suppress such profound feelings and philosphies simply because they do not fit in to the pre-requisite boundries of science, and there i thought psychedelics were boundry dissolving! lol

if galileo supresed such imaginative thought behind his ideas wouldnt our world stil be flat??

Uncalled for post in reaction to what i said. I think breakthrough is a pretty good word to use to make a clear distinction about the level of a trip on this stuff. There are different levels. If there is a better word to use please let me know. I've read Strassmans book and i've talked to him as well. Apparently I was not aware of different "camps" on this forum wich is so stupid I can't even believe it. I am very sincere about my dedication to these explorations . I have been at this for a long time. At present it is a very important part of my life and i will continue to be with or without this forum. I am here to learn from others and share my own experiences. Keep the negativity away please.

hi felnik do you see the trouble youve caused

of course Im joking friend, its great to have your thoughts I look forward to hearing more from you

this is what bugs me....

psychedelics ( even in the eyes of our gods the scientists ) initiate a SUBJECTIVE INTERNAL EXPERIENCE..

so why do people use science in this forum to ridicule, denounce or even diagnose people or their subjective experiences under the inluence of mind altering substances, isnt that another forum all together?

why cant we all just.....get along

xxx