Hi everyone! I decided to share a piece of my experiences that I have a bit of a trouble interpeting, maybe you'd suggest something insightful or share stories of yours.

On many occasions I meet either jesters or reptiles in my trips. Jesters make more sense. Like, I mostly can read off their emotions or whatever they're doing and they seem more humanlike so they're easier to understand. But I'm kind of puzzled with this other type: snake-ish or lizard-ish beings. The thing with them is that:
- They tend to communicate with me more and touch me more and the contact feels heavier and denser than with jesters for example - the bandwidth is higher and they demand more of my attention.
- The reptiles always start some kind of energy transmission, while when I meet jesters they are more like fooling around and dancing.
- I don't really understand the emotions that come from them or even their intentions. It feels like an extremely complex powerful knot of emotions that I can't peel off one by one and map to human emotions.
- They can feel kind of animalistic, overpowering, controlling or condescending. They don't feel malicious but anyway I feel like I don't fully trust them.
- The energetic contact itself feels mildly to moderately uncomfortable. The space is dark, there are weird sounds, weird emotions being transmitted, and as all of my attention just happens to be on this contact, I feel limited with no access to either my usual thought patterns or hyperspace richness, speed and fluidity.
- When I was meeting them, I would always be doing these automatic symmetric movements with my hands, aligning my body with the space flow (it happens without entity presence too though). Interestingly, people on this forum say both snakes and mudras symbolize liberation of "chi" from blockages. I don't know how could I interpret it personally. It's not like yoga or chi gong do much to me when I'm sober and my energy sensitivity is almost non-existent in the baseline state; I certainly don't feel any blockages.

I guess not all the stuff that happens to you in the DMT realm has an objective interpretation but why not conjure some if it allows you to grow.

Do you have any interpretations or similar experiences? What are your relationships with these entities if you've met them? Any tips to understand them better? I mean not rationally understand who they are, but how to learn to speak their energetic/emotional language? Have you ever took initiative and spoke to them on your terms?

Do you think the uncomfortable mindfuck might be related to the fact that the dose is not high enough? I've seen multiple people claim that sub-breakthrough doses are less comfortable than breakthrough doses. Is it the case for you?

Hey there. I believe all things and everyone we meet, through drugs or otherwise, are all a part of us. The life force of countless beings here on earth is constantly recycled and re-injected into a new life as each dies. Reptiles hold so much fascination for humans, obviously, as the planet was dominated by reptiles for millions of years, far longer than by mammals at this point. We all have some reptile energy inside us.

Maybe the reptilian contact feels uncomfortable to you because we are not yet accustomed to accepting it as a part of ourselves.

We often consider these entities as from a higher dimension but I am not so sure. I think that maybe these entities are from a lower dimension. They seem so wise only because they have had millions of years of experience after their own life ended through the beings that have re-utilized their energy so many times.

A reptile consciousness from 300 million years ago knows life on a basis of ripping apart other living things with their teeth, or living with the fear of that happening to them. We now only understand life in terms of buying packaged meals from the supermarket. We understand so much more, obviously. But all of our understanding combined as a living entity is inferior to a spiritual entity who sees all that we know plus the feeling of being eaten alive. It does not sound like much, but in terms of defining what life is, our impressions now are meager and blurred compared to an energy that has watched 'what life is' for the last 300 million years.

I think that is why we feel often inexperienced or uncomfortable when meeting these older manifestations of the energies that give us consciousness now. DMT is not the only pathway. Dreams that occur naturally can be just as powerful or more so. There seems to be a slightly sad misconception that DMT or other chemically induced experiences are so important and must be learned from and interpreted.

A forced journey brought on by boredom with reality creating the desire to believe something is real and so very important simply because escaping the real that is forced upon us daily is the goal.

And yet, we all wake from vivid dreams and nightmares to start our day using the skill we have developed so keenly. The skill to instantly dismiss and erase the experience of the dream as thinking about it all day would get rather in the way of life right now. What was that dream about? I can't remember, I've been awake 5 seconds. It's gone.

We subconsciously train ourselves to block out our dreams as we grow up only to later on seek chemicals to ingest to try and stimulate our need for life to have more meaning than the one we have trained ourselves to ignore.


So, to avoid further tangents and gibberish, I believe you have been meeting yourself. We all have. A kind of 'check in' to see what you are doing with the consciousness that has been handed down to you.

Then are we all one divided energy at this point? We like that idea sometimes. The only downside is the implication that all the bad we have done we have actually done to ourselves. I couldn't possibly decide the answer. But I will try to be kinder just in case.

We could be the branching tree of an original solo consciousness. Forever splitting apart and diluting and dissipating until there is so much separation that the pain of consciousness can no longer be inflicted on matter.

Or perhaps the journey goes the other way and our ultimate result in the universe is to end as one combined consciousness.

Or perhaps it is both, the singularity consciousness that divides for as close to eternity as it dares but always ends up back at a point of oneness.

The I that my ego understands as myself now will surely never know the answer.

But one thing I am certain of is that whoever or whatever we meet on the other side, now or after we die, will always be simply a part of us. Not something higher or separate, only our own consciousness with more experience than we can possible fathom while still infecting the fragile matter of a living body.

Very interesting! my one and only dmt trip involved a being which shape shifted in a reptilian/snake woman who stroked my face and told me I wasn't ready, her touch felt dense and almost cold. This trip also involved a large "Caraselle" like device fixed above me that the entity was keenly watching to see if i would interact with it. I tried to speak and all that came out was weird sytax without meaning just sounds like "laarmmm, raaaam, omm" which was matched with a coloured beam shooting out of my mouth in to the device which initiated what could only be described as an energy transfer.

I don't expect that everyone is willing to entertain notions like this but you might find some reptilian threads to unravel in esoteric, spiritual and New Age circles. btw Not all reptilian influences are written off as negative so while your experience wasn't comfortable I hope you manage to shake out something positive from it.

That's some really cool observations waterfall_cabin, you can really put words and describe it in a seemingly precise way.

In terms of the exprience, i don't really think it goes beyond synesthesis and body perception involved in multiple layer of projections which form the required layers for concioucness and make it the most potent artform that could ever exist with slight touch of psycho-magic medicinal value. The greatest doors to this vast land of sensations that is mostly foreign to us moderners. Skin and below.

In our daily mode of conscioucness, we can feel vaguely. Sensations is by nature vague, maleable. Yet in this range of sensations though there is an internal organ that can be felt quite easily and that is the heart. It's very accessible because of it's movement that resonates in the whole body. I don't think it would be too hard to learn to people how to feel their blood flow. Veins are right there under the skin, they are visible fractal pattern on the skin.

If we go back to your different points with this notion:

-contact is heavier. Blood is water, the body is mostly water and is heavy.
-energy transmission.
-a "knot" is an accurate image, as is a "map to human emotions", quite literally. Emotion alters the breath, breath alters the hearts, hearts alters blood flow into the organs. Therefor each part of the body and its rivers will be associated with certain emotions.
-water in general is a weird element. We come from it and so it evokes that unforseen obscurity. AS for "overpowering" or "controlling", who can really control its emotions ? In general rather the opposites happen.
-again water is heavy. Yet it might also be that some veins are heavier or located in heavier parts of the body and that would be the ones you are personifying, interacting with.
-yeah chi, it feels really lose ? Mudra is also making blood flow in different ways, it's normal it has an effect on the mind and how we feel.

In Tai Chi, if you look at the movement of a master, they have extremely fluid movement. They are perfectly relaxed. You can't be relaxed if you block you respiration up, which often happens when people are anxious, and which keep things "up". Things need to go down. That's gravity. When contracting ourselves under the pressure felt whatever be the reasons, it will keep blood from flowing, from going down well. So, ... waterfall really.

Standing, if you raise your arm previously loose, it will change the blood flow in your body. You can see the veins becoming thiner if you're on the thinner side, or just feeling it. Mudra is this: if you for exemple raise the index but let the rest hanging, there will be a similar change of flow that is targeted because of the use of this precise thinger. And then it's possible to organise each position of the body, the infinity of them, in relation to what part of it is at what angle from the ground - with five basic realtion to gravity being: loose, all the way up, in between, and both in betweens that comes from this middle.

If it cannnot be very accurate yet i can't help but see entities in general as personification of blood flow. When meditatin a lot i had those feeling of insects running over my bodies, it took me some times to get it was blood flow and at first i really wasn't sure what it was. So this image that is both reccurent in regard to schizophrenia or hyperspace trip is very interesting because veins looks like trees and insectes runs on the trees following their patterns, or more simply when they run on our bodies laying in the grass, it's the basic pattern it will make. Snakes or dragons are more obvious as veins, visually are like tree branches. So what happens is the same thing as seeing face inside tree branches. If only that this time it's the branche that makes you. In the same sense that a Mudra, is a complex visual pattern you can both see and feel. And then there's all sort of synesthesic thing, blending the images of the bodywith sensations and between them (which could be decribes as mind-yoga and be accurate)(and which someone more scientific than me might enjoy because it makes new neural embranchements too). As far as reptiles go, i'd say it's a very grounded, almost realistic level of it and concerned more with the belly region, which is correlated with the mouth region which is all paddy puddles and rivers end. For jesters, we'de be more on the surface, close to the air and all of that. Different flows.

A definiying characteristic of mankind is that we cry. Water goes up there. The sensation is not that far off blood flow too, when a tear rolls down your cheek. If only a little less cristaline.

Anyway, i'd say give tai chi related martial arts a go if you want to learn more about it through experience.