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i've finished my extraction of rue following endlessness' guide (thanx for that man,pretty easy!)
now i have an absolute beginner question...and surely the info's i need are already in here somewhere, but is there a difference in taking harmalas in HCL form and taking them in freebase form? orally that is...
much love to this wonderfull, inspiring and informative forum!
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freebase harmalas is ok to smoke  it's also easy to convert back to salt form by simply adding acidified water all my posts are random generated and can not be evaluated as distinct ideas Evening Glory wrote:This is a medicine, remember, not some video you can watch inside your head.
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If putting it in a capsule for oral use, it makes quite a difference. For that you should use the hydrochlorides or another highly water soluble salt, like the acetates. There's some mention of poking a hole in the capsule to make it work better with freebase alkaloids. SWIM never tried the hole idea, but others swear by it. But even them, it’s always better to pre-dissolve them in acidic water for oral use. Nothing works better than pre-dissolved alkaloids. In that case it doesn’t really matter if you have freebase or not because the freebase will become a salt when added to acidic water. A lot of people use lemon or orange juice as the acid. It works very well. But if you plan on using just water, then of course you need a salt form (HCl, or acetate). You may remember me as 69Ron. I was suspended years ago for selling bunk products under false pretenses. I try to sneak back from time to time under different names, but unfortunately, the moderators of the DMT-Nexus are infinitely smarter than I am.
If you see me at the waterpark, please say hello. I'll be the delusional 50 something in the American flag Speedo, oiling up his monster guns while responding to imaginary requests for selfies from invisible teenage girls.
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hey ron, do you happen to know if it's ok to smoke thh hcl? I've already vaped a small amount <5mg, but it was ineffective for the most part and then I got concerned that it was in hcl form rather than thh freebase so I didn't smoke more... mainly interested in using thh hcl in changa blends. all posts are fictional
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I'm sorry, I don't know. But a friend says that THH acetate (the kind available in the tincture) is smokeable. You may remember me as 69Ron. I was suspended years ago for selling bunk products under false pretenses. I try to sneak back from time to time under different names, but unfortunately, the moderators of the DMT-Nexus are infinitely smarter than I am.
If you see me at the waterpark, please say hello. I'll be the delusional 50 something in the American flag Speedo, oiling up his monster guns while responding to imaginary requests for selfies from invisible teenage girls.
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teotenakeltje wrote:i've finished my extraction of rue following endlessness' guide (thanx for that man,pretty easy!)
now i have an absolute beginner question...and surely the info's i need are already in here somewhere, but is there a difference in taking harmalas in HCL form and taking them in freebase form? orally that is...
much love to this wonderfull, inspiring and informative forum! awesome man glad you had success I like keeping the harmalas as freebase because its purer than the hcl from the salt precipitation, and when I want to ingest, I usually just dissolve the freebase harmalas in some orange juice or bit of hot water with lemon and drink it up..
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do u guys not find the hcl to hygroscopic ? antrocles wrote:...purity of intent....purity of execution....purity of experience...
...unlike the "blind leading the blind". we are more akin to a group of blind-from-birth people who have all simultaneously been given the gift of sight but have no words or mental processing capabilites to work with this new "gift".
IT IS ONLY TO THE EXTENT THAT WE ARE WILLING TO EXPOSE OURSELVES OVER AND OVER AGAIN TO ANNIHILATION THAT WE DISCOVER THAT PART OF OURSELVES THAT IS INDESTRUCTIBLE.
Quote: ‹Jorkest› the wall is impenetrable as far as i can tell Quote: ‹xtechre› cheese is great He who packs ur capsules - controls your destiny.
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oookay...thanks for the info's!!!!
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Phlux- wrote:do u guys not find the hcl to hygroscopic ? the crude crystals resulting from hcl ethanolic extract of caapi are quite hydroscopic. while you can get them nice and crunchy it doesnt last long if not sealed up soon...
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