vessel of naptha heated in a hot water bath.
crushed ganja added to the hot naptha
shaken or stirred for 30 seconds or until just before the naptha takes on any color other than milky.
quickly filter thru coffee filter onto a plate
evap over a hot water bowl
scrape and smoke - or bake at 150c for 1hr(decarboxylate) and eat(or smoke)

hi Phlux,

tho im sure this method would work fine for extracting thc, maybe im overly sensitive, but really, naptha for cannabis extraction??

is the quality really bad where u live?

in this neck of the woods, we like our cannabis fresh from the garden, -organic like the veggies.

if u want to eat it just simmer it in water AND butter then separate after cooling in the fridge (butter will solidify on top).

i shuddered watching a friend empty a WHOLE bottle of butane thru a tube of shake and small buds--to yield a couple of doses of hash oil.

i do think it is a bit archaic that most of the 'civilized' world still smoke raw cannabis instead of vapping trichomes.
Marc Emery and friends sure got it going in Vancouver, B.C.!!! free marc!

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=61153
just in case u havnt heard of this method.
peas

hash oil is convienent sometimes. smoke less and easy to add to butter at nice doses etc.

anyway phlux. would recommend redissolving the crude extract in a solvent like ethanol and reevaporating. this will remove left over organic solvent if there is any.

Really, only 30 seconds? Wow! My friend is doing an acetone extraction right now and is doing three 24 hour pulls. How would you say this compares as far as efficency, purity and possible contaminations?

There should be a subforum for THC.

on second thought, that may attract too much rif raff

If your doing 24 hour pulls with something like acetone I would imagine a cold water wash or 3 would be very helpful in removing some of the tannins and chlorophyl.

My friend is running it through activated carbon after the final pull. Surprisingly though it is only a light green liquid. And it was from high quality medicinal mary jane; "Nebula" they call it.

I only have experience with shwag and isopropyl alcohol, so my opinion is moot.
But good to know that acetone on medi is clean even after a full day!

well its being done on chronic - and the final product is cleaned up using acetone - this hash is used for chillums and not reguraly - its damn potent.
its just another option like bho, just as quick, just as strong.
very often its decarboxylated by baking for 1 hour at 150c.
soaking for any longer is just going to pull extra crap that u dont need and that will add a not so nice taste.
try a 30 second shake - evap that - then with the remains try the soak - compare the 30 second shake product to the later soaks and its obvious that the first pull gets most of the actives.
the naptha hash is always cured for a few days - this makes a huge difference with bho too - all odd smells dissapear, it hardens and the flavour improves.
good naptha hash has no trace of green - when the hot naptha hits the ganja it goes milky - you can watch the thc disolve - then u can clearly see that effect stop, then immediately filter and evap.

Light aliphatic naptha is required - neon brand works well - if heptane was cheaper id use that, and if i could find any hexanes id like to try that too(original hash oil method)

biopslo - everyone does it differently - my fav is fresh nice homegrown ganj - but variation is the spice of life

oh for bad quality weed this tek is used to suup it up - like say 9g jigs used to make hash - that hash evapped on 1g jigs = 1g superjigs

so true.
cheers

Just so we're all clear, if you are dry sieving or doing a water extraction to collect the intact resin heads on to screens, you are making hash. If you are using a solvent to "extract" the resins, and then evaporating, you are making oil, not hash. It may end up a very thick oil, but oil nonetheless.

Wow, i thought i would never see MJ extractions on here, i'm not an expert, but have great experience in making hash.

Naptha dosen't make great hash, sorry. the potencey is basically the same as an long Isopropyl alcohol extraction except you get far less. Acetone is about equal with naptha extracts. Isopropyl gets more and almost equal potency then both of thoughs. I have a new extraction i have yet to try, may be the best, is in theory. But i'm not smoking anymore, may be a while before i can test it out. Here is the theory though....basically making hash butter without the butter. Here is my theoretical thoughts for best results.

Break MJ down real good but not dust, put it in a tea screen(Little ball screen with handle), lightly boil just like making butter. Filter, press juice out of herb, cook again and filter again. Evaporate the water scape the hash up. Theoretical clean water made hash without freezing!

Anyone ever tried this method, i imagine it should work good, as in quality and clean water is easy to get and chemicals are great to avoid.

Actually, of all those nasty solvents, naptha makes the best hash oil with the most pure profile of essential oils...Butane works well too actually, both better than IPA, that shit is nasty and a PITA to work with for numerous reasons. Naptha makes the most sense for about 1/2 lb+, butane is great for smaller stuff. Personally i've switching over to D-limonene, it's unquestionably the best way to go and it potentiates the cannabinoids in the hash oil.

also, HASH OIL IS NOT HASH

Cheeto, that method won't work. In making bubble hash water is effective because you are essentially using ice-cold water to freeze and wash away the trichomes on your bud, that's why it's such a high thc content.

Hash oil is about collecting all the essential oils and trichomes which are cannabinoids, but only some are actually thc. This is why you need either a lipid (butter) or non-polar solvent, Naptha, IPA, Butane, etc... This is the same reason why thc stays in the body for so long. In your water method there's gonna be a shit load of cannabinoids left in your boiled buds and whatever little bit you did collect would not be nearly worth the effort.

happy toking

Thank-you!!

And you're right about the tea-bag idea as well. All you'd be doing Cheeto is taking the chlorophyll and crap out in the water, and leaving the good stuff in the tea-bag. Of course, you could then dry out the tea-bag material and use it to do an iso. wash, and that would make good oil, because you already removed the chlorophyll and crap in the water.

Can you explain this?

Hmmmmm.....butter extracts the thc?? Like i said i'm no expert, but this is the first i've ever heard of this, my understanding was in hot water THC is an oil, which is still not soluble in water, and floats on top of the water, adding the butter and the heat of the water just bond the thc to the butter(I don't know much of this process, just how it was explained to me). I don't really see how the thc will remain in the weed in boiling water, how do you know this is the case? Its fact the thc turns to liquid in hot condictions, i know that much, thats what spawned the theory, i will still try it one day just to see the ultimate truth for me. I don't have anyway to test how much THC is in anything, i can only judge by smoking, and the three i mentioned to me give the same buzz, no better or worse, so i figured i would stick with the bulk method.

But, i am pretty sure its not possible for the THC to stay in the weed in boiling water, is there a way you could explain how this could be possible?


Also, D-limonene extraction, wow, never heard of that, is THC highly soluble in D-limonene?

well, first off, let's make this clear, are we extracting JUST thc, or are we looking to make hash oil?

If attempting to just get thc, i assume your boiling water method would potentially work, but in that case you might as well make bubble hash. Your yield from your product will be very low and there will still be many cannabinoids left in the plant material.

I'm fairly certain that doing an extraction similar to making cacti resin will be inefficient...you will get something, but for what you get you shoulda made butter/hash oil or smoked/vaped your product.

I'm not sure if butter is the best example, dunno what the exact chemical processes are, so let's forget about that at the moment. whether discussing pure thc or hash oil and solvents, water will not provide maximum results. I'm pretty sure it has to do with the lipophyllic or some similar quality of the terpinoids/cannabinoids. I'd illustrate it as similar to making ayahuasca with boiling, but not acidified water; you're leaving alkaloids in the plant. I can't give you an exact explanation, suffice it to say that my personal experience has shown me that even after using butter, there are still some (very few) actives in the weed. In the case of NPS extraction, you pretty much exhaust everything, same with D-Limo, you just gotta give it plenty of time to leach out.

allow me to reiterate, pure thc extracts are incredibly inefficient as far as % extracted compared to plant material (thc is only one psychactive in the plants, other cannabinoids play a role as well). For bubble hash that's why they use sugar trim and the like. THC may very well convert into an oil at boiling temperatures, but I have never heard tell of anyone getting anything even resembling decent results with just water. I had a dumbass neighbor last year who kept trying hairbrained stuff on his schwagg trying to get a better cannibinoid/thc product and his water only extract was laughable.

For hash oil you need non-polar solvents or you will be leaving all kinds of goodies in the plant material. I feel like butter is the same, but like I said, I have more familiarity with the process of the chemical solvents, butter is butter and it works, that's about all i know. Water is water and it doesn't really work. That is, from what I have seen in my brief years on this planet, just using water for this extract yields an inferior amount of an inferior product.

For D-Limonene, again, allow me to reiterate, my interest is in full spectrum oils. Pure thc is inferior in health benefits to full spectrum cannabis essential oils and personally, I enjoy the other cannabinoids as well, so I'm never looking to make thc oil. I collect kief for pure thc, and if my grow op ever gets to the size i'd like it to be one day, I'll be making plenty of Bubble hash with icewater and the like for that stoney thc high.

Cannabinoids are soluble in D-Limonene and it has actually been shown to potentiate the effects of CBs due to terpene/terpinoids having a low affinity for the CB receptors...


Touche, there's a thread on here, mebbe two on this and there are reports around the web, let's see, here is a link to one of the Nexus discussions:

http://www.dmt-nexus.me/....aspx?g=posts&t=4366

hash oil is not always oil either - in fact iv never had a solvent extracted hash that stays in oil form.

"Naptha dosen't make great hash, sorry. the potencey is basically the same as an long Isopropyl alcohol extraction except you get far less. Acetone is about equal with naptha extracts."

naptha makes far better hash than acetone - acetone pulls green/black crap - naptha pulls clear orange stuff as long as its done quickly as per the OP.
in my experience ipa pulls crap equivelent to acetone - both unsmokable imo.

Snozzle - tried with dlimo - my dlimo wont evap clean and i couldnt figure out a way to crash it out - best way i see it working is like a 2 day dlimo soak followed by evap then decarboxylation for a edible product - thc tablets.

"you pretty much exhaust everything, same with D-Limo, you just gotta give it plenty of time to leach out."
not true - as u do this tek watch the naptha -u can immediatley see white stuff going into the naptha when it hits the ganj - this tek is nice because u can monitor it visually - try make 1 batch in 30-45 seconds, then do wash 2,3 and a idk 2 day long 4th one and compare results of evap and smoke - iv done it, thats how i know

Sorry, in the case of naptha I was referring to a multi-pound extraction (yay for local growers), guess I shoulda specified. By plenty of time I meant moreso than a Butane blast. But yes, I agree, it's relatively quick, even still.

Never seen or heard of acetone hash oil, have no doubts naptha is superior.

Ahhhhh, decarboxylation would make sense...my last extraction was with so little there was no appreciable residue following the evap, post soak.

phlux, can you think of any benefits to heating the limonene while the material is soaking?