My neighbor is confused on whether or not it is required to send Syrian Rue seeds through an extraction in order to get the MAOI effects. He wants to know if it's possible to just grind 3g of seeds up and swallow them for the MAOI effects?

Your stomach is pretty good at extracting alkaloids. It is definitely possible to just grind syrian rue seeds up and swallow them. In fact, 3g of seeds for me would be very psychoactive in their own right, aside from inhibiting MAO. However, the smell and taste make this way of ingestion very difficult. I, personally, cannot bring myself to smell, let alone taste the seeds. Encapsulating ground material and taking it this way would work as well, but this often results in a very nasty purge (if you've ever thrown up ground up plant matter, you wouldn't want to do it again).

Considering how simple and quick syrian rue extractions are, do yourself a favor and do the extraction. In the case of syrian rue, it is definitely worth it IMO.

I would never advise anyone to eat rue seeds. They are very harsh on the body when you don't take the time to easily extract. Rue has many other alkaloids other than harmalas that don't agree with the human body...some people can stand it but why bother...
Rue has had me on my knees praying for my life...
all while seemingly watching thru someones eyes on some pyramid, heads rolling, thousands of years ago?
Hmmmm....
Extract. Caapi is better.

My neighbor had read something about Caapi Copy and wants to know how much of it he would need. ~200mg? Thanks.

I always use 200mg of Caapi Copy or any other purified harmala. My oral DMT trips usually last five or six hours this way. I used to boil the seeds and then drink the resulting brew, but after ordering purified harmala alkaloids from vendors, I will never go back to doing crude extractions on my own. It's not worth my time or effort, especially when others are more talented at the extractions than I am.

SWIM uses the same dosage.

Also, while SWIM is very good at plant alkaloid extraction, it's very time consuming. SWIM has a demanding job, and kids to take care of, finding the time for anything is hard. SWIM is not going to use up his valuable free time extracting something he can already buy. If something is available on-line, already extracted, that's what he uses. He only extracts what he can't already buy on-line in pure form (like bufotenine, DMT, and mescaline).

What would give my neighbor the most visual trip? He said that he had tried 200mg of Harmine and 100mg DMT freebase mixed in OJ the other night with nothing more than CEVs. He was wondering about Moclobemide and what the difference is as far as visuals go when compared to Caapi Copy. Thanks.

I SIMMERED up 10grams mimosa in a double boiler setup where the bark and a little bit of water were sitting in a pot and that pot is floating on water that is just barely producing bubbles on the bottom from low heat. It didnt work?

If taste is a problem, i highly suggest wrapping whatever you are ingesting in a fruit roll-up. I'm not very familiar with the dietary restrictions necessary for MOAIs, but if that doesn't violate it, there's no reason not to use fruit roll-ups.

Too risky. One tiny bit of rue will ruin fruit roll-ups forever for me. And they're just about the brightest memory of elementary school I have left, I'd hate to lose it

I know rue damn near killed orange juice for me... Bottom line: rue extractions are just about the best thing that ever happened to humanity. Easy, cheap and they saved us from so much useless misery.

I enjoy the smell of rue. Like a deep dark chocolate. The taste on the other hand is a different story

I've found a tea made of one tablespoon and 6 ounces of water to be easy enough to get down. Kind of like coffee, bad bad bitter coffee. There's definately effect at this low dosage. Will certainly prolonge and slow down a spice trip and SWIM sais it is unlikely to cause purge.


Syrian rue does actually make a pleasant enough smoke--definately tatses chocolatey when smoked. SWIM frequently smokes Syrian Rue before spice, rather than actually making changa. He smoke the Rue until a disticly Rue buzz sets in, enoys that for a spell, then blasts off.

I'm with you on that one. I'm lucky to still be able to drink orange juice to this day. I always encapsulate it, but I'm thinking of perhaps making the tea since fractal enchantment raves so much about it. I just don't know if I can bring myself to taste rue again. It's easier to deal with the taste coming up than going down cause going down, all it wants to do is come up...already!

I can vouch for the tea as well.
I lightly simmer 3g for 20-30 minutes in 1cup of water, added a some sugar, and chug it in a couple of gulps. Wasn't too bad.

The effects on spice are tremendous. A good rip off the GVG prolongs the experience greatly. The come up is so smooth and the come down is even better. You barely notice it's going away! Straight spice and even non-extract changa comes and qoes quick, it gets sucked away so fast that i'm actively thinking that i dont want it to leave yet, but this way, man, it just drags out so naturally.
Oh, and it's worth mentioning there's close to no nausea.

Yeah, I feel I get that from capping the powdered seeds except I do get nausea. I'm not always able to muster the power to purge either which is the most unfortunate of matters. If I can purge that's nice, and if I could be 100% nausea free, that would be best.